Talk:Stranger Things/Archive 4

Lead section
I know usually only the creator (and I assume mentioning if they're the showrunner too) is included into the lead section while the producers and other crew belong in the body. However, since the creator/showrunners, the Duffer Brothers also frequently write and direct the show, does anyone feel it is worth adding "and often writers and directors" in the lead section as well? ATC. Talk 22:40, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Because of the rather large ensemble&mdash;without one particular lead character&mdash;I'm thinking they just belong in the cast and characters section, and not the lead section (as it makes it it look very bulky and it also comes across as vague as to what central role they have on the show's main storyline). Any thoughts? ATC . Talk 02:42, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, I think the sentence "Several thematic and directorial elements were inspired by the works of Steven Spielberg, John Carpenter, David Lynch, Stephen King, Wes Craven and H. P. Lovecraft" just belongs in the development section and not the lead. ATC . Talk 02:52, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Then we'd also remove from the lead the mention of other influences, like government experiments and conspiracy theories. Do you prefer only mentioning a couple of the filmmakers and writers in the lead? Lapadite (talk) 07:07, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * As for the cast in the lead, I personally don't mind it as is but would prefer only listing actors that have been in multiple seasons. --Lapadite (talk) 07:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I just saw this. Not in the lead, or at least the opening paragraph. It is already noted in the body of the article and the infobox. It's unnecessary trivia in the lead and likely not of importance for most readers. Showrunners have creative control of the production, including leading the writing team. Unless a showrunner has an unusual role per reliable sources, like being credited as a writer on every single episode of a series, stating in the lede that they write is unnecessary. --Lapadite (talk) 06:44, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Is not trivia to give credit to them. As lapadite asked "credited as a writer on every single episode", not even the duffer brothers themselves are producing every episode. Shawn Levy and Dan Cohen has created many episodes especially those in season 2,3,4 and Shawn Levy has been to a number of interviews about his work on the series. As for the current lead here are my concerns
 * "Its first season was released on Netflix on July 15, 2016, with the fifth and final season renewed in February 2022." Why would you jump from its first season was released on said date then mention 5 as if season 2, 3, 4 do not exist? And why would you link only one season out of the 3 that are available.
 * support . As per lapadite saying "As for the cast in the lead, I personally don't mind it as is but would prefer only listing actors that have been in multiple seasons." Face-smile.svg UricdivineTalkToMe 10:23, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

And why would including Dan Cohen and Shawn Levy be trivial if the produced every single season? As seen here 1 2 3 4kindly add them back please. And as per Notability as argued by lapadite see this lead section. Ping.  UricdivineTalkToMe 10:38, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

you removed the entire cast from the lead, and removed other series description info with a misuse of "cleanup"; please read what WP:CLEANUP is. Have you sought WP:Consensus for these major changes? --Lapadite (talk) 06:30, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

@ hmmm I didn't even know there is something like Wikipedia cleanup because if I had known just like other policies I apply I would have linked it. I meant cleanup per se I removed part of the lead not that I applied a "cleanup" policy. For things I removed the only policy I applied was MOS:TVGENRE, which says "for example, an article on a television series should begin with basic information about the show, such as when it first premiered, genre(s) and setting, who created/developed the show, its primary broadcasting station (typically the studio that produces the show), and when the show stopped airing (the first airing of the final episode)". Every single detail. As per Wikipedia consensus, you mean the one we were meant to have but just because we had a content dispute in another page you refused to engage?. Also if you think that non of my "major" changes falls under MOS:TVGENRE feel free to bring up a debate.  UricdivineTalkToMe 12:31, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The lede is to summarize the overall article, so including the main cast, and a bit about development, alongside the broadcast details, synopsis, and reception (all major sections on this page) is required. Note that MOS:TVGENRE is not talking about the overall lede, just the first paragraph. --M asem (t) 16:22, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The showrunner might not write each episode but they do produce each one (i.e., they are on the set early to tell the director of each episode they hired how they want each scene to be filmed before editing storylines in the writers room, employ the cast and crew, approve the budget for network and studio bosses, make all the final decisions, etc.).
 * Also, only the casting director is involved in narrowing down and recruiting the cast for the showrunner to hire; the other producers (even EPs, excluding the showrunner) are not involved in the casting and do don’t pen the script for each episode so this sentence in the Development section might need to reworded: “The brothers started to write out the series and brought Levy and Cohen in as the other executive producers to begin casting and filming.” I’m thinking: “The brothers started casting and brought Levy and Cohen in as the other executive producers to begin writing out the series.“ EJA94 (talk) 16:55, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * To add, I’m thinking of moving the sentence “Set in the 1980s, primarily in the fictional town of Hawkins, Indiana, the series centers on a number of mysteries and supernatural events occurring around the town and their impact on an ensemble of child and adult characters.” to the ending sentence of the first paragraph, as well as rewording the cast in the second paragraph to: “It stars Winona Ryder as Joyce Byers, the mother to Jonathan (Charlie Heaton) and Will (Noah Schnapp); police officer Jim Hopper (David Harbour); Noah’s friends—Mike (Finn Wolfhard), Dustin (Gaten Matarazzo), and Luke (Caleb McLaughlin); and Eleven (Millie Bobby Brown), a girl with psychokinetic abilities. Other characters include Mike’s older sister Nancy (Natalia Dyer) and her boyfriend Steve (Joe Keery).” EJA94 (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not think you need to identify the characters, just those listed as starring in any season (eg you still need to include Sadie Sink, etc.) M asem (t) 17:56, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * EJA94, this is undue weight, and very unnecessary — <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;">Face-smile.svg <b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF4500">Uricdivine</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF8C00">TalkToMe</b> 18:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Disagree with giving any trivia on the cast/characters in the lead. This is a large ensemble. Keep it concise, including the synopsis (which is, in my opinion, solid as is). Providing details on any cast member or character in the lead may give undue weight to an individual, as the series does not center on one specific character/actor. Lapadite (talk) 00:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Just so everyone is on the same page, I’m User:ATC on my laptop and User:EJA94 on my phone (as I have trouble logging into my ATC account on my phone). Also, that is fine with everything mentioned, but I’d have to agree with @Lapadite that only the ensemble cast members who appear in every season should be mentioned in the lead. EJA94 (talk) 21:03, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * EJA94, I agree to that esemble cast should be in the lead. Saide is an esemble cast now although she didn't start from the pioneer season. Also I thoughts it was compulsory to indicate you have a another account in your userpage?. — <span id="Uricdivine:1660948762045:TalkFTTCLNStranger_Things" class="FTTCmt"><abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;">Face-smile.svg <b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF4500">Uricdivine</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF8C00">TalkToMe</b> 22:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , I never said only cast members who appear in every season should be mentioned in the lead, please don't misrepresent my position. I said the lead could be limited to cast members who have appeared in multiple (meaning 3 or more) seasons, as a compromise. Also, if you're using more than once account on WP, please note that on your user or talk page (for both accounts). --Lapadite (talk) 00:02, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, what does everyone think about the infobox? Is it necessary to include the writers and directors as it is written? EJA94 (talk) 21:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * EJA94, yh it is — <span id="Uricdivine:1660948897837:TalkFTTCLNStranger_Things" class="FTTCmt"><abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;">Face-smile.svg <b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF4500">Uricdivine</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF8C00">TalkToMe</b> 22:41, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

And while I agree we should remove this paragraph from the lead: “The Duffer Brothers developed Stranger Things as a mix of investigative drama and supernatural elements portrayed with horror and childlike sensibilities, while infusing references to the pop culture of the 1980s. Several thematic and directorial elements were inspired by the works of Steven Spielberg, John Carpenter, David Lynch, Stephen King, Wes Craven and H. P. Lovecraft. They also took inspiration from experiments conducted during the Cold War and conspiracy theories involving secret government experiments.“, how about adding in the second paragraph info on how it also involves secret government experiments? So the paragraph would write as follows: “Set in the 1980s, primarily in the fictional town of Hawkins, Indiana, the series centers on a number of mysteries and supernatural events occurring around the town due to secret government experiments and their impact on an ensemble of child and adult characters…” EJA94 (talk) 21:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The lede is required to summarize all parts of the article, so discussing the development of the show is absolutely required. M asem (t) 00:06, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Why was my text reverted if only the showrunner and casting director are involved in the casting; the other EPs just work in the writers room (and in some cases like these also distribute)? EJA94 (talk) 21:52, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * EJA94, did you go through the citation beside it? — <span id="Uricdivine:1660949183046:TalkFTTCLNStranger_Things" class="FTTCmt"><abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;">Face-smile.svg <b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF4500">Uricdivine</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF8C00">TalkToMe</b> 22:46, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

You can add the "government experiment" stuff to better clarify but is best to leave the rest. <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"> <b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF4500">Uricdivine</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF8C00">TalkToMe</b> 22:45, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * :But it’s redundant and already mentioned in the body, and User:Lapadite agrees. It even goes against MOS:TVGENRE as it doesn’t mention anything about “thematic and directorial elements” inspirations Therefore, it is not necessary for the lead. EJA94 (talk) 23:17, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I agree with what exactly? This discussion and its structure is confusing. To be clear, I stated that as a compromise for a large main cast, maybe only the cast that has been in multiple (3 or more) seasons can be listed in the lead. But other editors may disagree and may want to mention all main cast members in the lead. I never agreed to removing all cast from the lead, or to removing the information on development, influences, or synopsis. Lapadite (talk) 23:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I’ll add the other ensemble cast members back in the lead. EJA94 (talk) 01:11, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * TVGENRE does not say what you think it says. "The lead should also summarize the major points of the rest of the article: premise, basic production information (e.g. where the show is filmed), principal cast of the show, critical reception, influences, place in popular culture, major awards, and anything else that made the show unique". M asem  (t) 00:07, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. Must’ve misread and not read through everything on TVGENRE. :). EJA94 (talk) 01:11, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

By the way, for the basic production info in the lead, since Shawn Levy and Dan Cohen own the production company 21 Laps Entertainment, which is a distributor of the show, should we add and rephrase the sentence to: “The brothers serve as showrunners and are executive producers along with Shawn Levy and Dan Cohen, under their 21 Laps Entertainment label.”? EJA94 (talk) 01:51, 20 August 2022 (UTC) Shouldn't Eddie Munson be among starring? Also  kindly indicate using a userbox that your two account are run by one person. Since other editors has addressed this issue and you failed to do it you may be considered as a sock. <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"> <b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF4500">Uricdivine</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF8C00">TalkToMe</b> 23:47, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Not listed as staring during opening credits of any season M asem (t) 01:44, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Masem, Okay — <span id="Uricdivine:1661096097935:TalkFTTCLNStranger_Things" class="FTTCmt"><abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;">Face-smile.svg <b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF4500">Uricdivine</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF8C00">TalkToMe</b> 15:34, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Can run-times be added to the table?
Season 1: 6hrs 45mins (405mins)
 * S1E1: 49m
 * S1E2: 56m
 * S1E3: 52m
 * S1E4: 51m
 * S1E5: 53m
 * S1E6: 47m
 * S1E7: 42m
 * S1E8: 55m

Season 2: 7hrs 47mins (467mins)
 * S2E1: 48m
 * S2E2: 56m
 * S2E3: 51m
 * S2E4: 46m
 * S2E5: 58m
 * S2E6: 52m
 * S2E7: 46m
 * S2E8: 48m
 * S2E9: 62m

Season 3: 7hrs 29mins (449mins)
 * S3E1: 51m
 * S3E2: 50m
 * S3E3: 50m
 * S3E4: 53m
 * S3E5: 52m
 * S3E6: 60m
 * S3E7: 55m
 * S3E8: 78m

Season 4: 12hrs 58mins (778mins)
 * S4E1: 78m
 * S4E2: 77m
 * S4E3: 64m
 * S4E4: 79m
 * S4E5: 76m
 * S4E6: 75m
 * S4E7: 100m
 * S4E8: 87m
 * S4E9: 142m ByDarren (talk) 10:39, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not really necessary since the series infobox details the range of runtimes for the entire series. Individual episode runtimes would only be necessary in an individual episode articles, as is the case for the (currently) three episodes which have their own articles. HaileyKhalif07 (talk) 09:42, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Stranger things Franchise
Can you pls create the page from stranger things Franchise Cjsorima10 (talk) 06:47, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no need for that article. Currently the franchise only consists of a TV show (which that article already covers) and a relatively small number of spin-off media (e.g., comic books) which can also be covered in this article. There is no larger 'franchise' to speak of. If a TV spin-off is officially announced, perhaps then a seperate article would be appropriate. Until then, there is no point. HaileyKhalif07 (talk) 09:46, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Not a sentence
The piece that starts "Emory University's Continuing Education Department" is not a complete sentence. I am not sure how to fix it ... are these additional filming locations? David10244 (talk) 08:31, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Season 6
Coming soon 223.191.49.15 (talk) 05:53, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Not sure what this has to do with content in the article, but that'd be a negative. The Duffer Brothers have stated that Season 5 would be the last. The Doctor Who  (talk) 05:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I have no idea what the question/statement is but the duffer brothers have said that season five is the last.Hope that helped Pipsqueak504 (talk) 20:16, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2023
change season five renewal date from February 2022 to February 2023 154.238.137.148 (talk) 23:25, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As cited in the Release section, the season was renewed in Feb 2022, not 2023. There is no release date for it yet; media has reported that the season is in the writing stages. Lapadite (talk) 03:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

i feel like dustin, lucas, and max should get articles
especially max and how popular she's been in season 4 MacchiatoTea (talk) 16:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Sadie Sink
Make more information on Sadie Sink ( Maxine "Max" Mayfield) 2601:982:300:6850:A824:E440:6BB7:681E (talk) 20:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Typo in first paragraph of overview
"They have inadvertently created a portal to an alternate dimension the refer to as ..." the "the" should be "they" 2600:8803:7B02:BE00:C952:CDBF:302A:BF5F (talk) 00:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ -- Alex_ 21 TALK 02:44, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2023
Add to "Other Media > Video Games" section a subsection called "Pinball." Suggested text below

In January 2020, Stern Pinball, Inc released a pinball machine based on the events of seasons 1 & 2. Players fight demigorgons and take part in various major events from the story such as saving Will and searching for Barb. Gameplay features clips and music from the show as well as original voice callouts by David Harbour in his role as Jim Hopper. . 69.242.69.73 (talk) 22:42, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Not done: requested text relies on a self-published primary source (the manufacturer), and a single secondary source that is primarily promotional in nature, and which doesn't support many of the details found only in the company advert. Xan747 (talk) 22:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)