Talk:Stranger Things season 4/Archive 1

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I have written a draft about Chapter One: The Hellfire Club. Would anyone like to review it, as if you are on here, you probably have an intrest in Stranger Things. Here is the link: Draft: Chapter One: The Hellfire Club — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.199.189.161 (talk) 15:16, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

1986
Season 1 was set in 1983. Season 2 was set in 1984. Season 3 was set in 1985. I think we should add (in the correct section) that Season 4 will (most likely) be set in 1986. MarvelMovieFan (talk) 08:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

2022
Finn Wolfhard has said that Season Four “should be out sometime next year”. This has confirmed a 2022 release date (you can’t really get more accurate than a main cast member). We should add a release year of 2022 when appropriate in the article MarvelMovieFan (talk) 16:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Actors are not reliable sources for this type of information. Its up to Netflix and the Duffers to decide when its ready. Actors can only give us the idea when filming happened. --M asem (t)
 * Yeah actors are most definitely not reliable, in fact history tells us they're often unreliable. Canterbury Tail talk 16:45, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I personally think actors can be reliable but are not always reliable and each statement should be handled case-by-case. If an actor says "the season will be out on June 1, 2022" and that date is repeated in numerous reliable sources, that has a lot more basis than "should be out sometime next year." "should" is not a definitive statement and still leaves it up to possible change; so in this case, it is not reliable. The Doctor Who  (talk) 23:11, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

ADD THE SEASON 4 ON JANUARY 31 STRANGER THINGS
PLEASE ADD THE SEASON 4 ON JANUARY 31 82.77.218.171 (talk) 11:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Season split
What is the source of Volume 1 having five episodes and Volume 2 having the last four? It could be four and then five instead, and I think that hasn't been specified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.131.176.228 (talk) 15:28, 18 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen the source specifying that either, I was looking last night and just figured that I missed it. The one in the episode table doesn't nor does the one in the series overview table on the main page I believe. The Doctor Who  (talk) 16:49, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Just checking once more, unless someone can produce a source supporting this, the dates should be removed. The Doctor Who  (talk) 19:19, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen a definitive split amount between Volume 1 and Volume 2. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

typo
the description of the full trailer release date has a typo
 * Could you be a bit more specific? Nothing jumps out, and a spell-check of the section doesn't bring anything up either?  If you mean the "On February 14, 2020" date being 2020, not 2022 - that's correct as the original trailer was released way back in 2020, even though the second was released - coincidentally - on February 17, 2022.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:11, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


 * "On April 12, 2022, the first offcial trailer released online." the typo is in this sentence Hamjoints (talk) 22:06, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, right. I thought you were referring to the Premise section that contains the full trailer release information.  Fixed.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 05:32, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2022
Typo - change “intergration” to “integration” 2601:483:4E80:7560:0:0:0:E766 (talk) 17:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Terasail [✉️] 17:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

color change
why did the wikipedia color choice for this season change from green to blue on this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamjoints (talk • contribs) 22:06, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Looks like with this edit. Generally it's because of some arbitrary reason. —Confession0791 talk 02:42, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Historical inconsistencies
Is there any demand for a section for historical inconsistencies, do we think? Sometimes the Duffers make some minor slip-ups, using songs that are off by a year, or the red M&M incident from S3, but I saw one from S4 that is so egregiously incorrect, it's worth pointing out.



This season is set in 1986.


 * HTML wasn't invented until between 1990 and 1993, depending on the source.
 * The World Wide Web wasn't chartered until 1990 when the first protocols were available (I don't believe HTSP was one since that's typically used for streaming).
 * JavaScript didn't appear until 1995.
 * Form-based upload debuted in HTML 2 in 1995.
 * The .NU top-level domain wasn't offered until 1997.
 * The Flexbox CSS wasn't created until 2009.
 * The geolocation mentioned later in that scene wasn't invented until 1999 and patented in 2004.

IMHO, this goes a little beyond 'suspension of disbelief.' ;-)

Kevin 06:43, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * And yet you have no issues with the Upside Down itself? Chaheel Riens (talk) 06:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I wasn't talking about the Upside Down. I was referring to a show that prides itself on being quintessential 80s making such a gross miscalculation of technology's place in history. If we want to go the sci-fi route, i.e. alternate realities or time travel, then that's fine, but time travel is not a plot device being used here and therefore does not explain why late 90s tech is used in '86. Kevin 07:32, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * My point is still valid. If you're prepared to "believe" that something like the Upside Down exists - regardless of the timeframe - then it's somewhat unfair to say a show is unrealistic because it uses HTML.  Clearly the show occurs in an alternate reality where such things are perfectly normal and technology progressed at a different pace to our reality.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You missed MY point and honestly, you're nitpicking. I didn't come here to argue with a troll. If you don;t want to be part of the topic I posted, then shove off, bub. Kevin 08:51, 30 May 2022 (UTC) Kevin 08:51, 30 May 2022 (UTC) Kevin 08:52, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I do see your point, but don't see the point of your point. You're nitpicking over something trivial - HTML existing before it was created, yet are completely happy with the existence of an alternate universe, which is quite a big deal - but perfectly acceptable in the context of the show.  If that's the case, then pre-existing HTML should also be fine.  Quite obviously I do want to be part of the topic.  You asked a question, and I admit my response wasn't explicit, so to be precise:  No, I don't think there is any demand for a Historical inconsistencies section in the article because it's WP:TRIVIA, WP:UNDUE, and WP:FANCRUFT.
 * Finally - can you correctly indent your replies please? Thanks.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:37, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, songs released in 1987, well before the series timeline, are included in the score. This isn't a historical piece, so just go with it. —Confession0791 talk 02:47, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It is original research for us to include these without reliable sources to explain how these were a problem. --M asem (t) 03:35, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

5 weeks* later
I think is has to be "5 days later"(in the first lines) ArneM2022 (talk) 18:43, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

7th line ArneM2022 (talk) 18:43, 4 June 2022 (UTC)


 * If you're talking about the release of part 2, it is 5 weeks from the release of part 1 --M asem (t) 18:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Victor Creel
Why does it say that Jamie Campbell Bower plays Victor Creel under the 2nd set of characters? He does not. Kevin L. Johnson does, and JCB plays the friendly orderly. 192.24.72.86 (talk) 03:38, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Disregard previous "Victor Creel" post.
My apologies. I made a mistake. 192.24.72.86 (talk) 03:49, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Please, warn the users about the spoilers!
I've read that Vecna, One and Henry Creel are played by the same actor and ruined the last episode for myself!!! 2A01:112F:4009:AE00:4193:5E7:1141:17CF (talk) 20:36, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * IP editor, please read WP:SPOILERS. --   LuK3      (Talk)   20:37, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Time between season 3 and 4
The introduction states "The fourth season takes place six months after the events of the third season", the "Premise" states "Set in March 1986, nine months after events of the third season".

Which is correct?

Joopjr (talk) 14:54, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2022
The Reception section contains a review with a massive spoiler that pretty much ruins any point in watching. Please can you edit that down. I skipped the plot summary on purpose to avoid spoilers. 109.155.12.145 (talk) 22:36, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Please WP:SPOILERS, we do not write or tone down material just because it contains spoilers. --M asem (t) 22:42, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Jamie Campbell Bower In the Cast List
How is he listed in official Netflix material? I found one article, here, https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/stranger-things-season-4-plot-24438004, that lists him as "Peter Ballard." We should find more concrete casting info for confirmation, but I think it's safe to say Netflix didn't reveal his actual character name and neither should we. Listing him as Vecna/One ruins the entire season. This concept of spoiling huge reveals in the cast list is wild. I advocate for changing his character name. A reader should be able to come to an article and not be spoiled unless they read deep into the plot synopsis. Daleylife (talk) 13:51, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:SPOILER - We do not fumble around spoiler-ish information, but present what is known to the world. The episodes have aired, and there are numerous sources confirming Bower is the guy under the mask as well as the orderly. We're not going to hide that information. --M asem (t) 14:02, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

These sources contain spoiler warnings and again, I am speaking directly about the cast section. Why is this a problem for you? Do you enjoy spoiling media for people? Would you like it if you were watching something and came across a huge spoiler like that? Why is it such an issue to hide a huge reveal in the cast list? The own network hid it. 68.230.18.190 (talk) 16:43, 12 June 2022 (UTC)


 * This appears to be getting personal, I believe @Masem is only trying to explain Wikipedia policy here. It's best to not watch pages of seasons you are currently viewing, if that helps. —Confession0791 talk 17:03, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, because as described at SPOILER, once you start marking some things as spoilers, then its a slippery slope to what else is to be marked as spoilers. Hence, we consider anything that can be verified by a wide audience to be out of spoiler range. --M asem (t) 17:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Remove Major Spoiler from Production
Wondering if the huge spoiler about the "Friendly Orderly" character should be removed from the production/casting section. Couldn't it provide the same information just to say he is credited as the Friendly Orderly to hide his character's true identity? Still spoilery but much less so than it is now. 73.225.80.209 (talk) 08:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:SPOILER exists for this. Essentially it states that if people don't want to know all about topic X, they shouldn't come to an article all about topic X, or even simpler - that they shouldn't be surprised that an article about Topic X tells them about topic X.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Name
Why say "the fourth season of the series stranger things is titled stranger things 4 "? Like what else should be the name. Uricdivine (talk) 23:38, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Most shows do not assign a new "name" to individual seasons. This is unusual. --M asem (t) 01:48, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

I know right. Very unusual. Uricdivine (talk) 23:38, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Which is why it is marked as such. We don't do that on shows where this is not done, eg Lost (season 5) is not Lost 5. M asem (t) 00:08, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Release date
@Uricdivine, Pt. 2 of Season 4 does not release until 12am P.T. on July 1st, meaning it remains unreleased. I'm going to revert the edit regarding pt. 2 having already been released again, and one can wait until the correct time has come to update it as having been so. Nissele (talk) 02:18, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Number of episodes in season 4, volume 2
The article currently says that "second set" is "of two episodes". That is incorrect. The Netflix Tudum article https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/stranger-things-season-4-episode-length states that "the remaining episodes will come with Volume 2, which arrives July 1, for a total of nine — NINE — supersized episodes of Stranger Things headed your way in a matter of days. Those nine episodes total roughly 13 hours of Upside Down goodness."

In addition to correcting "two episodes" to "nine episodes", the two halves of the season should be called "Volumes", not "sets". Stoutwb (talk) 02:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)


 * 7 (first release in March) + 2 (second release in July) = 9 episodes. The only reason those 9 episodes that the entire season (*NOT* the second release in July on its own!) will consist of will comprise 13 hours is because all season 4 episodes are about 90-100 minutes each. --2003:EF:170D:4537:F5DD:9B7E:9F12:A498 (talk) 13:06, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

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Edit: Nope, I was wrong; I had misinterpreted the page I quoted. "for a total of nine — NINE — supersized episodes" meant the total of all Season 4, not of Season 4 Vol. 2. My apologies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stoutwb (talk • contribs) 23:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

"Fourth plotline"
It seems to me that the three plotlines converge into one, not a seperate plotline by itself. Keep in mind the premise section is merely an overview, the plot is revealed later in the article. —Confession0791 talk 02:49, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2022
Suggest removing additional character names for cast member Jamie Campbell Bower and reverting to original credit of 'Peter Ballard' only. Additional character names constitute a major plot spoiler for anyone who has not watched episode 7 of season 4. Berto22 (talk) 04:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See WP:SPOILER, we don't delete spoiler information. RudolfRed (talk) 05:37, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2022
I just want to change the promotional poster into a new one 154.0.186.177 (talk) 20:21, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. You have to provide the image for consideration. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Premise
Please someone should update the premise. Knowing that the plotline didn't end with Hopper in a gulag. Uricdivine (talk) 10:03, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Let's talk about the premise section. Uricdivine (talk) 09:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

About the Third Opinion request: The request made at Third Opinion has been removed (i.e. declined) because it was malformed, not following the listing instructions on that page or even being placed in the correct location on the page. However, even if it had been properly listed it would have been removed due to there being no talk page discussion between the parties. Like all other moderated content dispute resolution venues at Wikipedia, Third Opinion requires thorough talk page discussion before seeking assistance. If an editor will not discuss, consider the recommendations which are made here. — TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 15:34, 15 July 2022 (UTC) PS: It would have also been removed due to a third opinion already been given, see the "Fourth plotline" section below by Confession0791; that constitutes a third opinion (or more than 2 editors being involved in the discussion which means that the dispute no longer qualifies for a Third Opinion). Sorry that I hadn't spotted that before now. — TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 15:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)


 * First, when we say "there are three plotlines" that implies three simultaneous story threads. You keep adding a supposed "fourth plotline" but thats the results of the first three plotlines, and thus not simultaenous. It is thus not a fourth plotline but a conclusion
 * But more importantly, this is a premise section. It should not fully cover the plot but tease what generally happens at the start of the season, with the details and conclusion in the episode plot descriptions. We want to give enough context in the premise so that the rest of the article can be followed easily. --M asem (t) 16:31, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

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