Talk:Strapping Young Lad

Parody Heavy Metal
Strapping is frequently referred to as a parody heavy metal band but I see no mention of it on this page. Why not? Is Strapping a parody band or not? I would tend to say that they probably started that way but are not so now. What do others think? Gurp13|Talk 23:28, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * They aren't a parody band at all. They're generally called a 'parody' or 'comedy' band because of tracks like 'Far Beyond Metal' and 'Satan's Ice Cream Truck', but generally speaking, their music is pretty serious most of the time. MrHate 08:27, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * But, doesn't Devin Townsend actually refer to them as a parody band? I'm only asking because I'm of the opinion that their music is pretty serious too.  I thought that some people officially called them a parody band because I've heard it from multiple sources.  Is it something we should cover in the article?Gurp13|Talk 02:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It could be mentioned that SYL have a somewhat cynical outlook on metal and life, but you couldn't call them a parody band. Basically they inject more humour into their image whereas most bands try to make themselves look more serious.  I don't think it's a neccesary part of the article but you could mention it and it wouldn't be out of place. MrHate 08:25, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * I definately would not call them a parody band. Devin Townsend has been involved with those typs of   projects (Punky Bruster, produced Zimmer's Hole) but SYL is by and large fairly serious. Not that they take themselves seriously, but the music is dealing with serious issues.aboverepine

Just to note, there is a tentative title for their new album posted on Gene's myspace page. "The New Black". Someone may want to include this.
 * Done just yesterday actually. I've referred to it as "tentatively" titled, in case Gene's yankin' our chains...;)ComaDivine 04:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

City Re-Release
so earlier this year City was re-released with a bunch of bonus tracks (like HAARHT), and i noticed that nowhere on the SYL article or the album's article does it mention anything about it. that's pretty sad. and before someone tells me to add the info myself, i wouldn't know where to begin, and don't want to just throw some info into the article making it look like shit.68.255.230.218 16:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * added the new tracks onto city's article, added a line to the opening about the re-release.68.255.230.218 23:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Can we please just leave it at Heavy Metal?
I mean really, listing 2,000,000 genres is just stupid. It's mostly listed under Heavy Metal on the net, in music stores, etc why do we need to list everything they could possibly be considered as?. Currently it says 'Their sound is generally described as Death / Thrash Metal/Death / Grind with strong Progressive rock-influences, Symphonic synth-melodies and influences from industrial music, although this differs from album to album.' It doesn't read well at all, and doesn't really mean much anyway. Each album is quite different, so instead of trying to list everything wouldn't it be less confusing to generalise it? Funny little guy 16:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Heavy Metal alone would refer to the style played by bands like Dio, Iron Maiden, Accept, Judas Priest, etc. which SYL do not sound like. If a genre can't be agreed upon, I say leave it at extreme metal. It is industrial metal, though. Certainly not progressive metal, though there is some influence here and there. However, simply having influence doesn't mean they play the style. 12.72.238.181 03:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Extreme metal covers it pretty well I think- the whole intention of the SYL project has always been just to be as loud and pissed off and abusive as possible. There's a bit of an industrial influence, there's some prog parts here and there, but ultimately SYL is a band about extremity and I think we should just leave it at that.Thee darcy 20:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I've always viewed SYL as Extreme Metal, because they are a mix between different kinds of metal (Thrash, Industrial & Prog). His solo work is much more purely Progressive Metal, not SYL. Lewis512 (talk) 23:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Melodic Death metal
I've never heard SYL classified as melodic death metal, by fans, reviewers, or themselves. Has anyone else heard this? Melodic death would be bands like [In Flames], [Dissection], [At the Gates, [Dark Tranquillity], etc...Thoughts? Aboverepine.
 * I think Melodic death is a good way to describe the SYL album, but Alien is a different matter all together. I would say Alien is close to thrash or post-thrash.  MrHate 23:21, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * The SYL album, maybe...I thought that album was pretty thrashy. City and Heavy as a really heavy thing are a whole nother matter all together, definately nothing to do with melodic death metal. Above Repine.

Strapping Young Lad is, short of an melodic death metal band. Devin himself, said this in iterview.

Progressive Metal
I believe that the band also falls under the Progressive Metal genre as well.

No Prog metal and all similarity/relation are due to the influences by the progressive. I though, that doom metal (or even Funeral doom metal) is worthly though for describe their style of playing as well as symphonic black metal, by the vocals and keyboards (string-sections, horns, operatic chores all SECTIONS generally).


 * I would say "no" to progressive metal and "God no" to doom and symphonic black. Honestly, does thrash seem so wrong to everyone else?  I think it fits them fine. The KZA (formerly MrHate) 11:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

style
i just cut ''However, many people don't realize that industrial metal usually requires drum machines and other computer-like equipment that a band like Strapping Young Lad does not usually contain. The verdict is up in the air as some foolish still proclaim them industrial; others have accepted that they are bringing real metal to the masses.'' from the Style section, for being POV and generally lame. i hate trying to sub-sub-sub-classify musical genres, but if someone wants to rewrite this or find sources to do the debating for them, then i leave it to you. the power is yours!

DVD commodore show was free?
I was there, I'm pretty sure it wasn't free.

metalcore
I think SYL is a metalcore because I heard some powermetal-based cleanvocals in their music

You can argue what powermetal is and how the clean vocals used in SYL are related to each, but the word metalcore has nothing to do with anything above.

Future
I think that the the "future" section needs to be re-done as it seems to indicate the future of the band is up in the air, and Devin himself has made statements that he was just tired of all of the interviews (which i know is in there) and that there will definitly be more SYL in the future, but he's taking a break right now. The last part doesn't seem to have been taken into consideration the last time the article was edited.

I cleaned up the Future section on the Wiki. It was generally just confusing for someone who isn't frequent in the SYL fanbase. First it cited info from the journalists blog who said that Dev was quitting SYL and DTB forever, than it quotes Dev's official announcement from HDRBoard about him "stepping away for awhile" and not quitting both bands. In other words, its frustrating. The bottom line is that SYL are on hiatus, they have not officially broken up. 74.119.12.154 15:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Being picky about "The Devin Townsend Band"
In the page there's this sentence : "After recording several very successful solo albums, the Devin Townsend band was formed, who, when touring, played SYL songs as well as songs from Devin's solo projects.

This changed on the release of their 3rd album, the self titled Strapping Young Lad. SYL now play separately from The Devin Townsend Band (or DTB) as this band has been populated with new members to create two separate bands."

That's not wrong, but don't you think the denomination "The Devin Townsend band" should only be used when talking about the 'new' -solo material only- line-up? Of course the first one is written the Devin Townsend band while the second one is The Devin Townsend band (and has a link to the dedicated page), but I think it should be written something like "at that time, live tours often consisted of a Devin Townsend + SYL combo, with the SYL line-up playing Townsend's solo material".

Well I doscovered Townsend and SYL shortly after the release of Accelerated Evolution so I can't be sure of anything, but I think it depends on how Townsend labeled his own (non-SYL) material, and how it was advertised on tour, etc...

Also I find the chronology of the history part a bit weird. It talks about the various release up to The New Black, then goes back to 2003 to talk about tour and the live DVD (well overall this paragraph needs to be rewritten now as Ozzfest is over). No disrespect for those who wrote the content 'right, I'm just pointing a few things 82.248.136.82 17:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I've done a bit of an overhaul, to keep the chronology updated and orderly and also to keep the formatting standard. Italics are best used for album or song titles, for instance. I've kept the DTB reference to a minimum to avoid confusion. People can go and look at that page if they need more detail. All we need now is a decent, allowable picture...and we'll be set. For now. ComaDivine 07:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I contacted seventhframe photography and obtained permission to use a new pic, which is now in the article. :) ComaDivine 03:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Industrial Thrash?
That isn't even a real genre :/ SYL's early albums are Grindcore, Industrial, and then the format switched a bit to Death Metal, Deathrash, and currently they're doing Thrash, Melodic Thrash, and Progressive Metal. It's hard to confine them to one genre, so we should list all of them. Thoughts?

Creation Destruction 23:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm more in favor of having as few as possible up there, maybe we should try and find what the band list themselves as on a reliable source rather than this constant edit war.Funny little guy 06:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

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 * Fixed. = ∫tc 5th Eye 22:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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Sympho with SYL
I really do not understand, why is anyone (but myself) find that some quite very symphonic from the SYL's music in generally!!! Symphonic link really should be in the article cause Strapping Young Lad really sounds like it by the keybords. At finally anyone objected sympho??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.20.146 (talk • contribs)
 * From what I can understand of what you've written: I don't think "symphonic" should be added. Bands have to have some sort of symphony element... like actual orchestra instruments... not a synthesizer. But, could you find a source that describes them as such? = ∫tc 5th Eye 15:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

No sources. But if you think "sympho" should'nt be added, the go and listen to some newer stuff of SYL. For example. "Shitstorm", has massive "Symphonic" sound, playing by the keyboard's string sections in the middle part. And contrary to what you've stated, above, "Symphonic metal" bands, often use an synthesizer too. Good example is finnish, Eternal Tears of Sorrow (never heard of?), and many more "Symphonic death metal" bands, as well as "Symphonic black metal" outfits.
 * Agreed that there's plenty of symphonic metal bands that use synths, but generally with SYL they're there to add a sonic element rather than a musical or melodic element. Oodles of bands use keyboard string & choir sounds, most of them don't use them for a melodic, symphonic effect. Thee darcy (talk) 20:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Grindcore
WTF? Why in hell is this tag added? I mean who the fucking stupid kids keeps adding it? Not since thei'r debut-HAARHT, neither with Steve Vai or City Devin never had playing nothing close to grindcore!! Really how it's any song even from early demos has anything to do with grind at all?? All stuff i've heard of it has nothing but prog/death thrash-metal, idustrial hardcore crust whatsoever, but still, blastbeats per se will NOT make the band grind!! Im therefore looking forward editing grindcore link away from the page, untill good sources will be provided. And hell, just, simply why SYL is considered grindcore? Who actual musician considered Strapping Young Lad Grindcore? Devin himself? Listen to SYL if you still consider SYL as grindcore! Any sources? vitalist

No synthesis allowed
In the last FAC, commenters stressed the importance of finding a strong reliable source to back up the assertion that Devy is bipolar. I think you've successfully done that here. The magazine Zero Tolerance, which Townsend reprints on his own website, is as reliable a source as can be found for a musician of this relatively obscure caliber. The interview plainly states that the singer is bipolar. However, you appear to be stretching the source to prop up the claim that Townsend's not taking his meds somehow led to more extreme lyrics for the Alien record. That's not really what the interview says. Is says that Devy is manic depressive. It says that he stopped taking his meds. It also contains a quote from Devy that, "Lyrically, it’s the most extreme I’ve ever been." But nowhere does it suggest a causal relationship between the latter two facts. Please read WP:Synthesis to understand why we shouldn't do that.

In short, I think the interview is great (or at least adequate) source for the fact that he's bipolar. It's not a valid source for your argument about the Alien lyrics (which, IMO, are some of his strongest; his frightening rants remind me of a girl I was dating the year I bought that record....but I'll save that story for another day).--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 02:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I moved the source to a more suitable location and requested a better one for the statement about his lyrics. Let me know what you think.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 02:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree with you, I knew it was a bit far-fetched:) Maybe we should leave this out entirely from the Lyrical themes section, as I couldn't find a source stating that the lyrics are directly influenced by that. I've found now more than one (3 or maybe 4) really reliable ones (like Metal Hammer, etc.) where he states he is bipolar, and he talks about how this affects SYL (he says SYL and The Townsend Band are the two opposites of his mind, this obviously shows how he is bipolar - maybe this part can be extended in the article), and how not taking medication affected the whole Alien album. But I can only back up the fact that it did affect the Alien album as a whole, so where should we put this information? In the Influences section, or in the main body of the article, or maybe Musical style? I really don't know:) Gocsa (talk) 12:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If you recall, I already added a sentence describing how going off his meds inspired the freaky noise track "Info Dump." That should suffice, but if you want to add a more general statement about his mindset on the album, please go ahead.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 15:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, I forgot. I'll contine trying to find a source stating anything about the lyrics, but I'm close to givint it up:) If I'm not successful, then we can delete that sentence. Gocsa (talk) 21:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Little Girl
SYL has often used a little girl's voice (and usually some kind of a story she tells) in their songs, such as the beginning of SYL itself. Who is this, exactly? 71.235.127.232 (talk) 21:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That's Devin as a kid. —Gendralman (Talk) 21:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

No. That's you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.140.88 (talk) 11:45, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

computer games
isn't it about time that we had a computer game as today's FA on wikipedia instead of this sort of pseudo culture? or how about an episode from Family Guy like The Man with Two Brians? it's hilarious Mr Poechalkdust (talk) 05:23, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't it about time you stopped trolling FAs? Ironholds (talk) 13:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Pseudo culture? What a load of rubbish you talk. Metal doesn't get much coverage on the main page, so this is a welcome change. LuciferMorgan (talk) 20:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

TFA hit count

 * 33,000 hits while on the main page. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow! I hope it also helped raising the band's popularity. Maybe some people gave their music a listen :) Gocsa (talk) 13:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

The SYL logo should be in the page somewhere
and then maybe the full name logo that followed later. 2001:44B8:41A7:4500:E6CE:8FFF:FE52:BA7 (talk) 23:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

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Jed and Mike's time in SYL
Just found this old video which displays that Mike Sudar and Jed Simon were both in the band at the same time, and that Devin didn't play guitar live during the HAARHT touring cycle. So the members' timeline needs to reflect this, as Jed didn't replace Mike. VampireKilla (talk) 08:02, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

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