Talk:Strata (band)

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Someone deleted current AfD tag, and old AfD tag was replaced, thus confusing people who may have clicked on the preloaded debate which takes one to the old debate. Users in good faith then deleted it thinking the debate was over. I would prefer for someone else to correct it, since I am involved in current AfD debate on side of delete, I do not want someone thinking that I am meddling in actual page for the purpose of advancing my opinion. Note: I had an earlier comment here and a reponse, which I deleted in order to keep anyone reading this from getting confused since it was not directly involved with this AfD, nor the earlier one, but was regarding a prod templete- close enough to confuse someone. Green hornet (Talk | contribs) 20:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I am only responding to the deletion argument that was thankfully closed. It's good that some people have enough common sense around here to keep the nutcases from taking over. And Mr. Hornet, as for me being a "known vandal", I've contributed enough to Wikipedia and fixed up enough bad articles that I think it outweighs anything I may have done to defend a band that has every right to exist on Wikipedia. You can think whatever you like. And I posted my name as Blah because maybe I don't feel like giving my proper name to a delusional lunatic with time on his hands. Your behavior is strongly reminiscent of Cobra Commander, complete with the over-the-top speech. It's been good fun speaking with you. Perhaps we will meet again. Blah (Talk | contribs) 20:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Its fine if you don't want to give your proper name, but you are not signed in as Blah, your edits are listed under 65.33.193.105, and people need to be able to see that you misuse WP policy. Call me Cobra Commander if you want to, though I question the sanity of any adult who still uses cartoon references to make a point, but your tactics of breaking the rules and justifying it when really you just do what you "wanna" is reminiscent of many people. All of them much more real and selfish and rude than Cobra fricking Commander. Dork. Green hornet (Talk | contribs) 02:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

People will see what they want to see. What I want them to see is that I am only trying my best to do things for the good of Wikipedia, and I think my work (under my name) will speak for itself. You want them to see that I am doing nothing but causing trouble (for you, as far as I can gather), and yet I am not the one who is trying to get content removed on flimsy grounds. You can feel free to respond again if you wish, but you're only going to do damage to your own reputation. And using a cartoon reference doesn't make it any less valid nor is it a sign of insanity, "Green Hornet". On the other hand, I question the stability of someone who devotes their free time to tracking down articles to beg for deletion. Blah (Talk | contribs) 15:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Sloppy URLS
The references section needs to be cleaned up so that it uses links instead of just plain URLs. The links should describe what we'll see when we click. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.145.54.7 (talk) 20:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

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Fair warning on needed improvements
To any readers or users stopping by--

On issues of notability and sources used in the article I placed a generic deletion tag on this article a few days ago. It can be removed by anyone who feels it unnecessary, and was in 28 October with a reason given in the edit summary. The next step if anyone feels the article has not improved to general guidelines is to mark as an article for deletion, and I'm inclined to list if the article can't be improved. Looking though the article history I saw there were a couple of editors that have contributed here a number of times, and if it was being looked at for PROD removal then it's clear that persons more interested and knowledgeable than I are around and would be best suited for corrections. To be honest though, nothing I could find in some brief searching looked like much I could use, so the chance needs to be put out there anyway

As a matter of courtesy I wanted to express concerns I have with the article and that others might mention in a deletion discussion so that editors can try to work on them. I have the page on watch and am happy to leave it be a few days before considering it further for listing.

Concerns? As above, notability and reliable third-party sources to verity statements in the article would be first. Wikipedia has a lengthy list of possible ways a band might meet notability, at WP:ELNO. This band meets none of the 12 given. There are a total of 2 sources; one is an information database, the other a press release. Neither are generally accepted under WP:RS. Though not an official policy, the essay WP:GARAGE was written because of the large number of articles like this. ♪ DaTheisen(talk) 14:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I have started by cleaning up a lot of this article, and added as many cites as I can - there should really be no issue in regards to notability anymore. I will continue to clean up a lot of this in the coming days. Jwoodger (talk) 01:23, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, you mentioned 12 criteria at WP:ELNO, but there appears to be 19 points there. I suspect you meant to refer to WP:BAND.  Of those it satisfies (at least):
 * (2) Has had a charted single or album on any national music chart.
 * (5) Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
 * (10) Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc.

My objections quickly proven foolish
Yes! Just a few hours and this has gone from a wobbly misguided article to something indestructible. Just the MTV story alone = end of debate on top of the existing band history, pretty much. Was I harsh? To make sure I got my point across, a firm tone, but arguably worth it if it took an article of a fairly long-running band from essentially a glob of info slapped together from their social media webpages into something completely recognizable for pop culture. Jwoodger's first statement in edit summaries seems to have been dead-on... they're not some garage band. The article just needed to tell everyone that. Yesterday things made the band look desperate with two "sources" that directed readers directly to outside websites to purchase their albums like the desperate cries seen on so many other band pages, today it talks about works on tour. Exactly! That's what a band that's had coverage in mainstream media should be proud to have and would like to see others read of them. Pop culture speaking about them, instead trying to speak at culture and pathetically looking for handouts from straggling Wikipedia users. Really, fantastic. It's always fantastic when someone is willing to step up and take control, and that editor has smashed any doubts I had.If for whatever reason there's future trouble with this article and it's tagged for anything, I'd be more than happy to help out. It's the very least could for all your trouble. ♪ daTheisen(talk) 03:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, cheers - I just got a warm fuzzy feeling inside :) Yeah, nothing like the threat of deletion to bring an article up to scratch - Cheers, Datheisen! Jwoodger (talk) 03:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Did Strata actually play with The Panic Division?
As per http://hangout.altsounds.com/news/88263-the-panic-division-cancels-tour-dates.html, I have removed the touring info with The Panic Division because I cannot find anything that says they definately toured with Strata (only that they cancelled their appearances). If I can find a cite that mentions they played at least 1 gig with them in 2007 I will put it back... Jwoodger (talk) 08:16, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the self released albums
... prior to the first full length album by Strata:

One of the albums in question was self-produced by Downside, the previous incarnation of the band Strata, who has disbanded. I don't believe this album is in print. It certainly didn't chart. I can understand the notability of all of Strata's (proper) album, but their prior albums strike me as lacking notability in their own right. I thought I would propose a merge. This would put their albums in the proper perspective of which ones were notable and charted versus, which can keep their separate articles and which ones were self-produced albums as they began to establish their band and its fans, and are no longer in print. Thanks. Forgotmyoldname (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I am inclined to agree as it's not likely that article is going to get any larger. Jwoodger (talk) 02:11, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I've redirected the album to here. Here is the track listing if anyone wants to insert it into the article:


 * "Sleep"
 * "Recover"
 * "Die Together"
 * "Off Axis (Colour.)"
 * "Medicinal"
 * "Wearing and Tearing"
 * "Sapphire"
 * "In Soma"
 * "In Soma"


 * Mattg82 (talk) 16:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)