Talk:Strawberry

Make the introduction more clear from where strawberries actually come from

 * Why does it state that strawberries come from France? They don't, they come from the lands of what's now considered "Chile" and the "United States"-- that should be made clear. All credit should go to THOSE lands, not just some colonizers who happened to grow the two plants (that already naturally have the same delicious savor) together! It should state: "Strawberries are a hybrid of two berries from the same family, these plants are native to Chile and the United States. Make it clear that this plant is just a mixture of two native american plants and stop phrasing it in such a way to steal credit for this delicious savor!

❌ The History section is adequately sourced, and does not indicate any recorded history that the strawberry is native to the United States. The reference to France is about the beginning of organized cultivation, i.e., breeding between strawberries from Chile and those from mainland Europe where the strawberry was mentioned in literature dated to the Romans and Greeks around 2 AD. This is a thorough historical source. If you want to change how its origin is described, write a draft supported by a WP:RS for review here. --Zefr (talk) 18:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I heartily support the decision to not change the text as suggested. First of all, no one is stealing any credit here. Second, to expand on what Zefr states: one parent of the hybrid Fragaria × ananassa is F. chiloensis, native to the western coasts of both America's; the other parent is F. virginiana, native to the east coast of North-America. Their natural ranges do not overlap, so they don't interbreed in the wild. The hybrid was produced in France somewhere around 1750 only after both species had been collected in their natural habitats, and been sent to Europe. In the original hybrid, no European species was involved. The species that was mentioned in ancient literature, and which was rather widely cultivated in Europe by the mid 18th century, was Fragaria vesca, a diploid species that doesn't produce seed when fertilized with pollen from an octoploid species (or the other way around: an octoploid species doesn't produce seed when pollinated by this diploid species). The hybrid F. vesca × F. × ananassa has since been produced, but only after F. vesca was treated with colchicine, to multiply the number of chromosomes, a technique that was unknown in the mid 18th century. Of course the first cross to produce F. × ananassa could just as easily have been made in America, but the fact is that it wasn't. Oh, and just one more thing: the holy grail in strawberry cultivation nowadays is Fragaria moschata, which to many connoiseurs has the most intense aroma and superb flavour. It's a species native to Europe.... 77.164.133.132 (talk) 19:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Reference for pictures in miniatures
In the second paragraph of the "history"-section, it is stated that: "The strawberry is found in Italian, Flemish, and German art, and in English miniatures." The line is marked with a "citation needed". A (or the) source for the statement can be found in: Darrow, G.M. (1966). The Strawberry: History, Breeding and Physiology chapter 2: The Strawberry in Religious Paintings of the 1400's, more precisely at the bottom of page 12 and the top of page 13. I would have added the reference myself if the article were not semi-protected. I hope some attentive logged-on user will complete the task for me. 77.164.133.132 (talk) 13:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Authorship of the name Fragaria × ananassa
In the infobox, the author of the name Fragaria × ananassa is referred to as Duchesne. In Taxon 30(1): 299 (1981) however, M. Guédès pointed out that the different forms of strawberries Duchesne described were considered by him to be "constant races" of the same species, also see [https://www.ipni.org/n/1190402-2 "Remarks" under Fragaria chiloensis (L.) Duchesne, Hist. Nat. Frais. 165 (1766), nom. inval. ]. The binomial names he gave were not accepted as names of species or hybrids by the author himself, and as such not validly published (ICN Art. 36.1). In IPNI the name Fragaria ananassa Duchesne, Hist. Nat. Frais. 190 (1766) is, for this reason, listed as an invalid name. The first validly published scientific name was Fragaria chiloensis var. ananassa Weston, Bot. Univ. 2: 329 (1771). Eventually, in 1785 François Rozier validly published the name as Fragaria ananassa (pro sp.). Not recognizing the hybrid nature of the taxon does not affect the validity of the name. Hence, a full citation of the name is: Fragaria × ananassa ( Weston ) Duchesne ex Rozier. Also correct is Fragaria × ananassa (Weston) Rozier, but most sources on the strawberry (I mean those who make an effort to quote the name correctly) leave Duchesne in. 77.164.133.132 (talk) 11:46, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

And today, I even found the also correct "Fragaria × ananassa ( Duchesne ex Weston ) Duchesne ex Rozier ". But let's stick to the first one, the one that's used most. 77.164.133.132 (talk) 21:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2020
I request to please edit the scientific name of strawberry as it contains a multiplication sign '×'. 42.108.198.76 (talk) 09:45, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It's correct, see Hybrid name. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:15, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2021
Just want to add a link to the Chile Wikipedia page in "which was brought from Chile by" being: "which was brought from Chile by". Maticiru (talk) 23:31, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:37, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Railway station
Hi I disagree with this edit. If you read wp:NOTTRIVIA you'll notice they've done what wp:NOTTRIVIA siggests: It's about not having a trivia section, and putting everything into the page instead. Also I like it, although the image needs to be bigger. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:32, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello - I also felt it was WP:UNDUE, but it's not a major matter, so I'll defer to you. Best. Zefr (talk) 23:24, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Malling Ace
Strawberries are not often "in the news". This was big strawberry news in the UK, e.g. here and here. How often do new cultivars make national news media? East Malling Research Station in Kent, England, is a notable entity in its own right. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:5P1 - the cultivar will be notable when it is covered by a reliable source for its qualities and public adoption, but for now, this is news, WP:NOTNEWS. Zefr (talk) 22:37, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

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 * Strawberry greenhouse Ukraine.jpg
 * Hi Can you provide more information on the original source of this? Tineye URLs are valid for a short time. Invasive Spices (talk) 23 August 2022 (UTC)

World's largest grown strawberry
Do you want to add a trivia note about the world's largest grown strawberry? It was written about in Reuters on February 17, 2022. Here is the reference: Smellyshirt5 (talk) 17:27, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. Invasive Spices (talk) 23 August 2022 (UTC)

To add to article
Basic information to add to this article (in order to make it properly encyclopedic): the etymology of the word "ananassa." 173.88.246.138 (talk) 22:23, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

NPR1
Hello WP:CRYSTAL doesn't apply here because it's sourced, it's not my speculation. In fact now that I read the source again it says that this does work not that this may work so I'm not sure why I phrased it the way I did. Invasive Spices (talk) 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The CRYSTAL statement was "Further research may turn this into a useful source of resistance" - it's speculation on a possible future outcome, which is not an encyclopedic statement. Zefr (talk) 16:04, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes that's what I'm talking about. CRYSTAL doesn't apply if the source supports it. This isn't my speculation. I'm thinking This has been used to produce BSR in strawberries. because the source says this already has worked. Invasive Spices (talk) 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Seeds "on" the strawberry or not?
The third paragraph states that the whitish things on the surface of a strawberry are not seeds, but instead *contain* the seeds.

Later in the article it is stated that:

"On average, a strawberry has about 200 seeds on its external membrane."

This is an apparent contradiction. I hope it can be fixed. 2601:200:C082:2EA0:255A:DB69:58FD:4ACA (talk) 17:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2024
I would like to edit this Wikipedia as contribution of a fellow member of this community and society. It is my obligation and willingness to have access to edit this wiki.

Sincerely, A fellow member of society FUNNGFETUS (talk) 05:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2024
Please remove this sentence:

In southern lands, such as Florida, winter is the natural growing season and harvesting begins in mid-November.

and add this to replace it:

In Florida, winter is the natural growing season and harvesting begins in mid-November.

The source talks only about Florida, not other places at the same latitude, and the sentence doesn't even make sense in the southern hemisphere, where mid-November is late spring. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 00:16, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅  Anon 126   (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 05:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Credit the cooks for strawberries and cream, not their patron
Given what it says in the actual source cited I think it would be appropriate to credit the ‘invention of strawberries and cream’ to an ‘unknown member or members of Thomas Wolsey’s kitchen staff” rather than to Thomas Wolsey himself. There is no record or even rumor of him ordering it/specifying it (unlike with the story of the sandwich and the earl of Sandwich) and instead sources including the one cited are explicit about the dish being worth crediting to the cooks or some other person closer to the kitchens at his palace. 2600:1700:25BF:9800:2513:5FF0:4B6E:7959 (talk) 00:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)