Talk:Stray (video game)

Commented out image
Why was the image commented out when this was moved into draft? AllenY99 (talk) 03:12, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Non-free content cannot be included in draft articles per WP:NFCC. – Rhain  ☔ 00:01, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah I see, thanks. I'll put a note on the image to prevent its deletion on the assumption that this article will get out of draft soonish. AllenY99 (talk) 20:24, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, that likely won't work—"soonish" is not soon enough. Non-free content must be used on mainspace articles or else it will be deleted. I'd recommend saving a local version of the image for reupload when the article inevitably returns to mainspace (or you could request it to be restored), but it needs to be deleted for now. – Rhain  ☔ 06:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Undue coverage
I'm wondering if we are giving WP:UNDUE coverage of the criticism of this game, it seems over-represented to me given the game's generally positive reception and ratings. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 22:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm clearly biased since I wrote the section, but I couldn't disagree more: the first Reception paragraph is pure praise, the second and third list twice as many positive points as negative, the fourth and fifth are entirely positive, and the last paragraph is fairly mixed (as were the reviews). If you have specific examples of undue weight, please feel free to share. – Rhain  ☔ 00:54, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I had a second look and yeah, maybe you're right. Nevermind. Seems fine. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 00:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * What kind of people may mean this game isn’t purr-fect ? 2A02:2788:228:93D:65F9:E41D:E623:4C7 (talk) 13:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Meow. :) EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 23:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Nicolas Carthelier?
Someone named Nicolas Carthelier is, at least legally, the president of BlueTwelve. Some sources (albeit with questionable reliability) claim this person to be the one behind the "Koola" pseudonym. Carthelier formerly worked at Ubisoft Montpellier, whereas "Colas Koola" is only credited on Stray. Is Carthelier mentioned in any reliable sources in connection with this game or the studio? IceWelder &#91; &#9993; &#93; 22:07, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * No reliable sources mention Carthelier, though I'm certain that they are Colas Koola—especially considering the spelling of their name, Nicolas. In any case, they are credited as Koola, so I think that's the name that we should use, regardless of their legal name—even if we (or reliable sources) do manage to make that connection. – Rhain  ☔ 23:24, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems like eventually some source (maybe in French) will cover this and at that time, the connection should be mentioned. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 02:34, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I doubt anyone will reliably report on this, since the developers seem pretty secretive about their real names. In any case, for privacy reasons, I see no reason for us to use their full name until they do. – Rhain  ☔ 07:08, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

User voted awards
So, apparently user voted awards by the public are not allowed in Wikipedia? I am referring to the Steam Awards, which got edited out after I included them. Based on that, the Golden Joystick Awards would have to be excluded as well then, since they are publicly voted on GamesRadar (or at least the one that is listed, Playstation Game of the Year.https://www.gamesradar.com/goldenjoystickawards/

If anyone can tell me where I can read up on the rules on public voted awards, please let me know. This is new to me. Dionysos1993 (talk) 23:38, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I presume the guideline being referenced is WP:USERG, but I believe the Steam Awards are eligible for inclusion per WP:VG/AWARDS, so I've restored them. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 23:49, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for claryfing quickly. I did not notice anything in WP:VG/AWARDS that would lead to excluding it. Dionysos1993 (talk) 23:58, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Recipient(s) and nominee(s)
While we're talking about the awards category anyway, I'd like to remove this column, which just says "Stray" over and over. It seems superfluous to me to mention that these awards were given to the video game that the article is about. No other video game article seems to format its awards like this, either. ReneeWrites (talk) 00:51, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It may seem odd right now, but not all awards are given to the game—the D.I.C.E. Awards name developers, for example—so the column is essentially future-proofing for that inevitability. There are several articles that format their awards like this, like the three featured lists. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 01:02, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Not every game that was awarded a D.I.C.E. award formats the award column like that, though. See Celeste, Hades, Ghost of Tsushima. Having this column isn't future-proofing so much as it's premature. Once the column contains information that's not just the title of the game it makes more sense to me to have it be added. ReneeWrites (talk) 01:22, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Of course—there are plenty of inconsistencies between articles—but I'd much prefer to follow the examples set by the featured lists (which is also the standard of film articles). Removing the column feels like a useless endeavour, since it'll almost certainly be back in two or three weeks anyway. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 01:11, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:CRYSTALBALL: The column can always be added back if/when something other than the game as a whole is nominated—we shouldn't accommodate potential new information, we should work with what currently exists. DecafPotato (talk) 03:55, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:CRYSTALBALL does not apply here; the existence of a column is not prediction nor speculation. I personally prefer consistency between articles, hence my usage of the column in line with the aforementioned featured lists. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 05:06, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Rhain, since it'll almost certainly be back in two or three weeks is CRYSTALLBALL-y: it's essentially saying that "we will have to use it eventually", even when that's not confirmed. The featured lists are an apples-to-oranges comparison—to put it simply, there are things that go in those columns that warrants their existence, whereas removing the column in Stray loses literally zero information. DecafPotato (talk) 03:01, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a little predictive, sure, but certainly not WP:CRYSTALBALL—and not even my main justification, just an explanation. Personally, I prefer to keep the column. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 08:09, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I’m perfectly fine adding back the column if it gets an award not to the game. We don’t need to predict anything—we can remove it now and revert the edit if/when it has a use in the future in like, five seconds. DecafPotato (talk) 19:13, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * DICE nominations are out and none of Stray's are for anything but the game. Thus, I've removed the column. DecafPotato (talk) 20:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Not quite true, so I've reverted and corrected. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 00:00, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This is not consistent with how it's done on other video game articles that mention the DICE awards. The three articles you're pointed to as examples aren't consistent with Stray's, either, they're stand-alone articles for the awards themselves. I'm with DecafPotato on this, and reverted the revert. ReneeWrites (talk) 12:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Other stuff exists—that's not a reason to remove information here. Besides, several other individual game articles follow a similar approach to this one, so that argument is irrelevant anyway. And, while their opinion may certainly have changed, DecafPotato clearly said above that they are "perfectly fine adding back the column if it gets an award not to the game", so I'm not sure that currently stands either. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 13:14, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * To be clear, my stance is that I do not object to the inclusion of a "recipients" column, so long is there is information to be put in it other than the implied recipient (the game as a whole), and all examples that you have cited meet that criteria. For Stray, however, this column provides no new information to the reader (as mentioned above, it is implied that awards are going to the game as a whole unless something else is specified), and we shouldn't include the column even if it's virtually guaranteed that those awards will be given to it. DecafPotato (talk) 03:33, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Per, the game does meet that criteria: D.I.C.E. nominates developers, not games, for its awards. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 03:39, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The IGN source provided does not reflect this information, nor does the official website, which just lists developers that worked in the relevant area of the game rather than actually nominating them, as the nomination is still directed towards the game as a whole (for an example of a nomination for something other than the game as a whole, see the text indicating Aloy for Horizon Forbidden West in both the official website and the IGN source. DecafPotato (talk) 03:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The nomination is directed towards the game, but it's still the individuals who are actually nominated and awarded. It's like the Academy Awards—films/games don't win, people do. This is reflected on the awards article too. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 04:07, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Rhain, the article for the 2022 Game Awards also shows key people and the developer/publisher of the game; it has no indication on who is designated as the recipient to the award. DecafPotato (talk) 05:26, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

No, The Game Awards names companies, not "key people"—the only awards given to individuals are Score/Music and Performance (and, in previous years, Narrative). D.I.C.E. follows the Oscars approach and names individuals for every award. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 05:39, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The "Best Score and Music" category of The Game Awards names the game's composers. And the official website of the D.I.C.E. Awards lists the game itself as the recipeint of awards, and the applicable sub-aspect (like the character in "best character" awards are listed with the same weight as the game itself, marking an equal recepient, rather than a smaller-sized list of select cast members. DecafPotato (talk) 06:34, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I know, I already mentioned Best Score and Music—as I said, it's one of only two awards given to individuals at TGA, whereas D.I.C.E. does that for every award. Not sure I agree with your second point since that's simply a stylistic choice for website navigation; previous years used slightly different formatting, but that doesn't mean the process has changed. It's already been determined on Wikipedia that individuals are the nominees; if you disagree, that's fine, but I think that's a discussion for Talk:D.I.C.E. Awards (or this year's article), not Stray. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 07:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

NAVGTR Awards nominations
My edit on NAVGTR Awards was reverted and I am surprised that they apparently are not notable per WP:VG/Awards. The Academy's awards are given out since over 20 years. It may not have a wikipedia article yet but it is used in about 300 articles on here. Why should we not include them? Just because of not having an article? Vestigium Leonis (talk) 00:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Correct. Per WP:VG/AWARDS: "Awards included in lists should have a Wikipedia article or be vetted by the community to allow for its inclusion to demonstrate notability." – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 11:01, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Rating
would it be helpful to include the rating? Blitzfan51 (talk) 17:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Which rating? Are you referring to the age classification? – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 22:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * yes, the age classification. Blitzfan51 (talk) 01:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Unless it's the subject of notable commentary, there's no reason to mention it per WP:VGSCOPE. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 02:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, Thanks. :) Blitzfan51 (talk) 12:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Image map
The article currently contains an image map with a photograph of some of the developers at the GDCA, but it doesn't work in its current state. Clicking on the image links to BlueTwelve Studio, which is currently a redirect to Stray. Is it better to change it to a regular image and put in the description from left to right who the people in the image are? ReneeWrites (talk) 11:22, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It should work as intended: pointing (not clicking) identifies the person. My concern with listing names in the caption is the length—it increases it fourfold. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 01:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)