Talk:Street racing/Archive 1

Video Games
The article is full of POV, its gone.


 * You can edit the article if you feel there is too much POV. Don't delete the whole section. Also I just put the Video Games section back in and made it NPOV. --Taida 22:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Crashes
''The speeds in a usual illegal street racing run reach over 100 miles per hour (160 km/h) and crashes are very likely. Due to high speeds, fatalities and major injuries are very common.''

I think this is nonsense. This intends to make Street races appear to be more dangerous than they are.


 * unfortunately, it's very true. Amit 04:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It is not true. Crashes are due to the unprofessionalism of the driving not the speed. Many other types of racing are faster, yet they are still safe. Crashes also occur because they race on busy streets with other traffic.--Taida 22:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Most of these drivers ARE unprofessional, though. However, it's not the speed that kills them - it's the way they drive (which is poorly and often without regard to others' safety). I'd rather have a responsible driver (which, if the government doesn't feel it's qualifying with its licenses, then it should start doing so by stepping up its learning driver programs) at 70MPH in a 40MPH zone than a street racer doing 40MPH in said 40MPH zone.

Unfortunately, the government makes a fuckload off of speeding tickets, so they'll just blame every single accident to ever happen on the road on "excessive speed" and continue to hide cops behind bridge supports with radar guns (like, for fuck's sake, they aren't even trying hard to enforce the policy THEY say is safer; speeding; which just goes to show you that they really don't believe in it/care). 207.210.29.71 (talk) 03:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Cleaned up
I cleaned up the article, and placed citeneeded tags where I thought they were necessary. There still could be some organization work done, but I think the article is now more "encyclopedic" than before. – Mipadi 04:20, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

1930s
I don't believe that street racing started in the 1930s, I believe that street racing is as old as the car itself. Do some agree? Maybe street racing became more common in the 1930s.


 * If you can cite a source, feel free to change the statement; it's already of dubious origin. – Mipadi 17:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Street racing actually goes back to the town to town races starting with the Paris-Bordeaux race in 1895 when they were authorised by the goverment and ended by the time of the Paris-Madrid race in 1903, when eight fatalities amongst spectators and drivers to a point that the race had to be stopped in Bordeaux. This also later led to the Targa Florio races. I so I think it is worth mentioning this as the origins of street races WilliRennen 13:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Street roadracing rules
This may be controversial. Nothing here is implied to suggest breaking any laws or operating a motor vehicle in an unsafe manner. Nonetheless these activities take place every day, wherever there are drivers and roads.

Street Road Racing, where not prohibited, involves three simple rules. The role of leader and pursuer may change many times during contention, there can be only one winner.


 * 1. The Winner is in front at the finish.
 * 2. The Leader chooses the course.
 * 3. The finish is when the Stalker quits.

Unorganized, unregulated, spontaneous, low speed contests between strangers, are probably the most common of all motor sports confrontations. From the first cross continental races, to the last person you prevented from passing. Your use of a motor vehicle in an attempt to out-gain, out-distance,  prevent another vehicle from passing or to arrive someplace first, constitutes a Street Race. You cannot ignore the fact that people bet their lives on winning every day. Victory in all of these cases is covered by these essential rules.GT

Anywhere
Is there, perchance, a name for a type of racing that involves racing around the bends? That is, not a drag race, but not drift racing, almost a combination of the two, where two racers attempt to pass a finish line before the other, however: there happens to be a slalom track between them.
 * I couldn't agree more. Is this in the article? BTW, I cannot, simply cannot find a certain type of racing, and I would like to start an article or find one, anywhere.

No, not necessarily the mountainpass 'touge', not the show drift of burning rubber, smoke, and smell, no, not revving the engine at a stoplight; just as simple as two drivers racing down a windy counrty backroad.

Now, it comes to my understanding, typical American racing enthusists do not like to see cars slow down, but in my opinion, if you need to slow down, you're going too fast, and a turn has broken your skill level. When a racer is forced to slow down, it's either because 1. he does not have the nerve/gut to take a turn that fast, and/or 2. his skill level is marked by how fast he can take turns, and this turn is too sharp for him to take at normal speed.

My philosophy is this: anyone can have the nerve to drive as fast as they want going straight, anyone can learn to drive straight. A car can break the sound barrier and I could care less. How fast are you around the bends? Colonel Marksman 17:50, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

What you're discussing is racing that's more about the skill of the drivers. As far as I can tell, street racing is more about the skill of the mechanics. A monkey can do the actual race.

--I don’t know where this above one came from. But according to the above street racing rules, road racing is all about skill. The Winner is in front at the finish, not the mechanic. GT

Limited Cleanup
This article has many obvious issues, but I feel the three cleanup templates I added are a good start. Doing too much at once would probably not be very beneficial for this article, in the long run, considering its inherently troublesome nature.

Here is a detailing of the three templates I added: 24.175.54.43 23:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sections: Intro, Sport Principles, Legality, History, etc. Will promote flow, cleanup, expansion, etc.
 * Fact/Fiction: The current article is a painful mix of writers who support and don't support street racing, so it ends up jerking around between unsupportive nonsense, passionate nonsense, and fact.
 * Uncategorized: Surely, as a major part of at least three subcultures, this article can fit into more than just the one category. Will promote attention and traffic, and by virtue of this, will promote cleanup.

Street Racing in Japan.. mistakes
1. Street racing is not known as kousoku battle. The kousoku is an expressway.. and i guess if you raced on the kousoku, someone might call it a "kousoku battle". This entry may have been influence by the movie "Kousoku Time Trial" which is a Japanese movie released in the 80's about racing on the kousoku. This movie had a large impact on street racing culture in Japan. 2. Law enforcement against street racing in Japan has certainly increased.. but the speed cameras, etc. have had an impact however persistant racers simply install electric license-plate swiveling mechanisms or picture-proof screens over their plates. Racing is less common in urban areas but it still happens (though I wouldn't say on a "regular basis"). 3. Initial D pretty insignificant in terms of racing in rural Japan and from an objective perspective probably doesn't deserve mention despite its influence in the U.S. Here in Japan it's just a "cartoon" and is mostly just popular amoung young kids. 4. Racing in the mountains of Japan is not called "Touge". "Touge" simply refers to the mountain roads.. obviously you can grip-race on the touge as well. Both drifting and grip driving is popular on the touge for racing.

--58.87.135.128 17:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Heres a bit taken fron a page that is already merged into this one, though I know that lot below is full of s**t and it was from the Hashiriya page until it became merged, douzo...


 * Hashiriya (Japanese: 走り屋, hashiriya) are Japanese street racers. Considering the popularity of Japanese and Far Eastern cars in street racing, it's not surprising that street racing is very popular in Japan despite very high speeding fines. Racers tend to memorise speeding trap positions and use radar detectors to avoid the police. Today's form of street racing, popularised by movies such as The Fast and the Furious, is said to come from Japanese street racing.


 * Japanese street racers embrace most forms of illegal racing and activities such as speeding, cornering, customising and drifting are all popular. Tokyo's racing sects are credited with inventing Downhill or Canyon racing in the 1980s. Japanese racers have also been credited with inventing drifting. As rumor has it, Keiichi Tsuchiya was in a car race, and was dead last. Being a sore loser, he decided to swing the car around the corners, shocking and amazing the crowd. When accessed later for comment, Tsuchiya called it "drifting." While this is not the origin, it is probably where it obtained its name and introduction.


 * Respect is an important part of the culture as is safety. Hashiriya tend to avoid racing with non-racing cars around. Respect between teams and the various racers, as well as friendliness, is said to be common.


 * == Terminology==


 * Hashiriya: a street racer (also Hash-iteru)


 * Wangan: Basically Bay side Route. It refers to a section of the Tokyo Highway that runs past the bay area. This is a popular high-speed stretch for hardcore racers.


 * Touge: Pronounced Toe-Gay. The word itself means 'mountain pass,' but the kanji is made up of the characters for up, down, and mountain. Essentially it indicates driving up and down mountain passes or any mountain road.


 * Grip Racing: Clearly not a Japanese term, but a popular activity there. It involves going around corners as quickly and smoothly as possible without compromising the vehicle's grip levels.


 * Drifting: Drifting is when a car oversteers around the corner, as if the tail is chasing the nose of the car and the car seemingly goes around the corner sideways. Then the driver brings the back of the car under control as the turn is cleared. Good drifters can link around consecutive corners without regaining rear-wheel traction. Drifting (motorsport)


 * Zero-Yon: A "quarter mile" or 400 meter drag race. Zero and Yon is Japanese for 0 and 4.


 * == References ==
 * Masamania Hashiriya post
 * Street Racing on Thefastandthefurious.com
 * Forum post on Japmobiles.com


 * ==External links==
 * FDM's Hashiriya photo gallery

Willirennen 25 September 2006

???????? street racing ??????????
look here is what street racing is about its 16-25 year olds out there wanting bragging rights for there ride as well as the girls and reputation of being a badboy. but it gets worse because you got a older crowd thats more orginized faster cars which means increased speeds and danger. 26-36 year olds do it for the rush but mostly for the money ive seen races from $100 all the way upto $5,000 but it goes as high as $100,000 dollars.......

but as an ex-street racer turned local drag racer believe it or not that track holds more addrenilene than the street because your win is documented by a time slip on a santioned track

so do it on the track not the streets be safe

http://www.mccranie-motorsports.com

One of the worst topics on wikipedia.
This page is a disgrace, i havent seen anything this bad and lacking in a while. I tried to fix up the page a little bit, then saw that there was no use. Half the stuff makes no sense, and the US section is largely LARGELY unsupported or misrepresented, and the facts are wrong in most cases. Grammar is terrible and spelling is also bad. Zlatko 10:38, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice article, I was hoping for something a bit better than this, I took out the part that said usually crashes occur, it seemed stupid, it's autoracing, of course there will be crashes. TotallyTempo 00:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

cleanups &c
I've done a substantial cleanup of the article, and added numerous sources among other things. I'd appreciate a few other hands-and-eyes having a look at it. I also think the article needs a couple additions. One being "controversy" such as the possibility that F&F and various racing games (project gotham racing, NFS, and so on) contribute to street racing. Also, I think a "culture" section should be added. It's particularly notable that in Southern California, it is reported that at least 50% of participants are asian. Additionally, I think it's noteworthy that many of the cars used are imports, although there are the occasional big block knuckle draggers :) ... aa:talk 21:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyedit and cleanup
I copyedited and cleaned up this article today, there are some issues with NPOV in the computer and video game section, and I question this sections inclusion in it's entirity. There is also a serious problem with citations in this article that need to be resolved. Trusilver 05:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Open road racing
"A more common form of racing, in which two or more cars compete until one party is the clear winner. This differs from the drag race above, in which a set distance on a straight road is reached. Drivers typically line up while moving under the posted speed limit. Once all the cars are ready one car will sound a horn 3 times, the third time is the final signal to start the run. A car will win the race by simply outrunning the other vehicles by a considerable margin. If the race is tight it will usually be a mutual agreement who the winner is. In the legal version of this type of racing. Cars will see speeds well over 150mph and sustained longer than any other type of automotive racing. All makes and model of cars can compete in the American Autobahn series which takes place on public roads that are closed for the event."

This paragraph sounds more like an invitation/advertisement rather than a neutral explanation.

Mikvance 05:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

NPOV
"This lack of realism could give gamers a different impression of driving in real life." Is this statement POV, if so it should be removed. This is stated under the Video Game section.

Street Racing in Malaysia
On 12 July 2006,.... More than 100,000 people have been arrested in these operations.

You got to be kidding me. Could anyone who wrote this include some sort of evidence. 60.50.5.59 07:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

How-To Guide
I couldn't remember the template for a how-to guide, but definitely parts of the article are this. Encylopedias should also not address the reader specifically, unless it is a warning. [' Mac Δαvιs '] ❖ 01:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's tone, not style. Change "you" to "one" and amend conjugation, tense, and case at whim. 69.143.136.139 20:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Another cleanup
"this is plain wrong. it cites eleven sources, with many more being listed in square brackets rather than markup. (69.143.136.139 01:24, 28 July 2007)"


 * Man this article gets cleaned up too often. I've added citation templates and did some CE. Please provide feedback on this talkpage. Soulrefrain 03:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * yeah, it's kinda a bummer. primarily it gets cleaned up because people keep putting garbage into it. i try to put sources into it, but the other thing is, you've got the occasional asshole who feels the need to put nag templates on it too. heaven forbid somebody document something as unsavory as street racing. the same thing happens (both sides &mdash; the fascists and the stoners) in the marihuana articles. 68.167.53.174 03:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

"49 people are injured for every 1,000 who participate in street racing." -- I'd like to know how this data was collected considering this is an illegal activity that is not properly reported. Kevinthenerd 14:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Main Image
Where is it? Soulrefrain (Talk) 14:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

facts with specific numbers
Can someone source the facts I removed with inline references. If you don't know how to do them, let me or someone else know. My concern is the stats are so specific they came directly from one source. That source should be tied right to the line using it in the article. --Amaltheus (talk) 03:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Link
I have a website which documents the history of street racing in Maryland. I feel that the addition of my URL, www.marylandstreetracinghistory.com, will add to the knowledge base of the readers.Street race girl (talk) 20:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This link does not meet the requirements of Wikipedia. See WP:LINKSPAM . Thanks – CZmarlin (talk) 01:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)