Talk:Streetball

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I changed "Tyron Evans" to "Tyrone Evans," as the former was a spelling error. Evans also has two nicknames, "Alimoe" and "Black Widow," the latter of which I also added. If I'm not mistaken, Shane Woney and Waliyy Dixon did not get their contracts renewed and are thus no longer on tour; I did not make any change with respect to the aforementioned hunch. My source for the changes I made is  -Shenzhou

Streetball doesn't mean And1
This is pisspoor stuff here. Streetball is bigger than And1, but And1 has done alot for it. There are tons of independent And1 tour-esque groups out there and someone oughta do this page right.


 * I'm going to move all the AND1 stuff into the stub at AND1 Mixtape Tour, which should make it easier to merge "streetball" and "street basketball" (clearly these refer to the same phenomenon?) Garrepi 18:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

"Famous ballers" heading== I removed the following phrase from the "Famous ballers" heading: "(please provide proof if the person is not well known)". I absolutely agree that all info (including simply listing players) should be verified, but this is a comment that belongs here on the talk page and not in the actual article, as the comment relates to making the page encyclopedic but, in and of itself, is not an encyclopedic phrase. -- Kicking222 16:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, while I will not delete the names myself (as I'd prefer a consensus), I feel that perhaps we should not have the complete list given under "Famous ballers," as it is lengthy and none of the names are verified. In my opinion, it would make much more sense if the only people listed were those with their own Wikipedia articles, or those for whom a (reliable) external web site- referenced in the article with a link or footnote- states that the player is a legend or particularly excels at streetball. -- Kicking222 16:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

well maybe we can get a few real biographies up if all the names is up and people see 'em, that'd be nice- true sport legends. i remember a little guy called "the mole" who played some years ago in the midwest who had a 40 foot hook shot &who was legally blind; he played some good defense too- but sporadicly --Klasovsky 16:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

street sports and economics
streetball is basketball played on the street. its neat that there's these new leagues and stuff and movies and stars but the real thing is you can get in a pick-up game all over the world, its a grass root cultural thing that takes the place of bars drugs television. its big in serbia and the philipenes and israel and jordan where the fancy moves is just starting to show up. the rules are in flux.

Flash Remembrance
Just posting a remembrance, as it is 2 years since the legend of ball Antoine "Flash" Howard died of a brain tumour. There was surely never a quicker baller, and never will be another like him. "Flash", always in the memory. Check out his page or mine to post your condolences. Millm0w 11:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Created Ball4Real page
I just made a page for the Ball4Real tour, which consists of the players who defected from AND1.--Section8pidgeon 09:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Jamar Davies
check out the page i created on one of streetball's greats, the pharmacist. a mc donalds is so goodMillm0w 12:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Streetball as a trademark
Since 12/19/1991 the sports equipment company ADIDAS is owner of the brand streetball (at least in Germany), which gives them control over the use of the word in Germany and maybe over this article, too (Link to the abstract of trademark No. 2010980: http://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/marke/register/2113018/2010980/DE). In the article it is not worked out, when "street basketball" was called streetball the first time by intension and when this expression became common use. The game itself is probably as old as basketball, but what is about the expression streetball? The external links in the article don't give the idea, that the common use of the word streetball is older than the trademark is. To me streetball sounds like a typical German pseudo-anglizism for a vapoware, which is pushed into an unexploited market to get the control over it by controlling the keyword. In Germany this is the well working strategy for ADIDAS. So it would be important for the wikipedia article, if the expression streetball was used for informal baskeball appointments before 12/19/1991. When did a boy say the first time: "Mom, I'm out for streetball this afternoon" instead of using the word basketball? CBa--80.137.89.84 (talk) 13:12, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Accessibility
Seriously, for anyone reading this article who doesn't know what certain phrases mean, this article is often incomprehensible. For instance, the first sentence of the first section reads: "While the rules of Streetball are generally completely non-existent, Streetball places a higher emphasis on taking it to the paint and cramming it home". What is "taking it to the paint and cramming it home"? This needs to be made clear so that people can actually read this article. This is an encyclopedia after all. 82.32.185.56 (talk) 03:38, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Being someone not from the USA, I have absolutely no idea what a lot of the terms mean. Even the first line needs to be fixed up. "Streetball is a very popular game worldwide" doesn't actually say anything about the sport in itself, it's assuming that everybody already knows exactly what streetball is. I'm guess most people that come to this article would be here to find out what streetball is, which is almost impossible here. Not knowing anything about it I can't exactly be bold and change it, so can somebody else please? 219.90.175.80 (talk) 02:41, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Paragraph In Need of Changes
"Compared with more formal basketball games, streetball places a greater on emphasis on one-on-one play, ball handling, driving the ball to the basket and slam dunks, as opposed to areas such as shooting outside jump shots or executing complex team schemes for offense or defense. Often the attacker will perform numerous flashy moves, including crossovers, jab steps, and other fake-out tricks. Streetball often features spectacular dunks and alley oops, impressive ball handling, and trash talking. In most versions of streetball carrying, traveling, or double dribbling is an accepted part of game and is encouraged to make it less challenging for offensive players to score and more showy for the crowds."

This is inaccurate and at the least needs proper sourcing. I play street ball regularly and there is plenty of outside shooting. Most streetball games in the United States play using "1s and 2s" rules, meaning two-pointers are worth one point and three-pointers are worth two points. This puts a premium on three-pointers and so there is plenty of outside shooting (so much so that a lot of the game is setting picks at three-point line). Most street ball games in the U.S. use these rules. To say that street ball is all about unsophisticated flash and trash talking, as this paragraph seems to imply, is wholly inaccurate. People call traveling, double dribbling and carrying very quickly. There is no difference in this respect from typical basketball.

Entertainers Basketball Classic
Entertainers Basketball Classic ? --Hydao (talk) 00:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

"Dead End" rule
I have read the "Game structure" section and I have no idea what the "dead end" limit does or is. The examples given don't demonstrate in any way how its application changes the standard "win by 2" rule. A better explanation is needed. 212.178.242.129 (talk) 12:41, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The only thing I've ever heard of that's close to a dead-end is an absolute upper limit on the scoring. So, if we said the game was to 7, win by 2, cap at 9, that would mean that 7-3, 7-5, 8-6, and 9-8 would all be final scores, whereas 7-6 and 8-7 would not.  The examples given in this section don't follow that rule, but I'm not sure whether that's because someone has a different rule in mind, or they just misspoke. BrianTung (talk) 23:16, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Fouls
I think some of the text is too restrictive. There are certainly games where there's continuation (but no free throws): You call foul and you still make the shot, you count the bucket. There are certainly games where "and 1" is used to call a foul, not as trash. I wouldn't call these not streetball just because the rules or usage is a little different. We should be careful about saying such-and-such never happens, or never means this; streetball is played everywhere and usage varies. BrianTung (talk) 23:19, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Pick up play
In the section on pickup play, I edited it because it was obscure. It now says "To participate in most streetball games around the world, one simply goes to an outdoor court where people are playing, indicates a wish to participate, and from all the players who were at the court before one has played, two players acting as "captains" will get to pick their team out of the players available and play a game". (italics indicate the part I altered). Before it said "where one will get to pick put their team". It starts out saying "one" goes to the court seeking to play, and then "one" "picks out their team", which made it sound like you select the team you want to play on and join in. But from the context it is obviously talking about a person acting as captain choosing a team. So which "one" is which? And there needs to be TWO captains, unless there is "one" who selects both teams. If the first, then it isn't "one" picking out a team, its two people picking out teams. If it's the first it needs to explain it better. If it's the second, it ought to explain it as well. Who is "captain", and how to they get to be captain? Are players only selected at the start of each match? What if the numbers are odd? Anyway, I bring this here because I honestly don't know anything about basketball, and I only added what I did because that was what it seemed to be saying. But I'm not at all sure, because it's not clear. If it is to be written from the perspective of "one who wants to play", it should say "one who wants to play can go to any court, where he or she will be selected by one of the two team captains at the start of each match" (or whatever). If it is to be written from the perspective of the captain(s) it ought to say "pickup ball is played when a group of people assemble at the court. Two captains are chosen in one way or another, and each one takes turns selecting players until each team is complete". I can't really think of any good reason to call the captain "one" unless we want to speak to the reader under the assumption that he or she is going to be the captain, and numerical odds alone make this unlikely.

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