Talk:Streetcleaner

Genre
EVERYONE SAYS ITS DOOM/SLUDGE METAL AS WELL AS INDUSTRIAL.--202.158.207.242 (talk) 00:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Please cite a reliable source stating this. "EVERYONE" is vague, since I'm sure a majority of people on the planet have never even heard of this band. I have removed these genres from all the Godflesh album pages (and the band page) that you added them. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 15:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

There is the same discussion in the sludge metal article and the same claims that nobody had heard of this band. I guess most editors are simply too young to know one of the biggest bands of 90s underground. Anyway, as I don´t know most of the bands recollected in the sludge metal article, I don´t really give a damn. But to claim Godflesh unimportant should be prohibited.213.166.53.115 (talk) 17:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Grindcore?
I gotta question putting grindcore as a genre here. Yes, it's sourced, but the only thing this album has to do with grindcore is that one of its members was in a grindcore band. Anyway, I'll leave it for now, but it really doesn't belong here. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 20:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You can pull it if you want. I only added it because I was adding the review quotes and saw it was the first thing it mentioned. Torchiest (talk | contribs) 06:26, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, sounds good. If someone else wants to re-add it, we can all discuss it here. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 00:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I was looking at this again, and in the grindcore article is a reference pointing to the official Earache Records blog, which also describes Godflesh, specifically Streetcleaner, as industrial grindcore. So between that, the Allmusic reference calling it "one of the darkest, best classics of grindcore", and the Piero Scaruffi site, which says Streetcleaner "fused grind-core and industrial dance", that seems like it should be included as a genre. —Torchiest talkedits 01:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess if it's sourced (although a blog as a source? Even if "official", it's still highly questionable. Also, is that Scaruffi site a WP:RS?). Still makes no sense, Godflesh sound nothing like grindcore whatsoever (no d-beats, no punk guitar or punk influence of any kind, no screaming/growling, no blast-beats, nothing remotely grindcore other than Justin was in Napalm Death prior to starting Godflesh), but whatever. Add it if you want. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 18:37, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the blog is iffy, but like I said, it's used in the grindcore article, which is classed as a good article. I hope that means it was vetted already.  I've been looking into this Scaruffi guy, because I had to pull his reference from KMFDM about a week ago for the FAC.  This article about him is pretty interesting.  He's notable for his music reviews, so I think he's legit.  It might be better to mention some of the grindcore stuff in the text, but not the infobox, since the sources have some qualifying language, instead of just saying "they're grindcore" straight out. —Torchiest talkedits 18:50, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd say that's enough of an endorsement of his reliability for Wikipedia. And I thought my collection of 1500 CDs and 3000 records was a lot...I got nothing on this guy!
 * I like the idea of using it in the text. For example, "Scaruffi said that Streetcleaner 'fused grind-core and industrial dance'." – That seems like a better way to add that info. I'm always wary of people describing bands as "grindcore", as it's an oft-misunderstood genre (I don't know how many times I see some metalcore/deathcore band described as "grindcore" when they clearly aren't). Anyway, I think main-body article text is the way to go with these for now. I guarantee that if it ends up in the infobox, we'll have edit wars over it (not you and I, but every other editor that comes along). MrMoustacheMM (talk) 22:15, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, sounds good then. I'm contemplating trying to get this article up to GA status, but I'm still looking for good details to add to the background and production sections.  If you have any ideas, let 'em fly. —Torchiest talkedits 22:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Potential References
https://www.treblezine.com/shadow-of-the-horns-the-best-metal-albums-of-1989/?fbclid=IwAR1nHpkFGUCKvBo1vGgvzd-gGwzCr2IOYAE279KTEKmjxO30AU6IZS_bnuo CelestialWeevil (talk) 16:24, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

A reference change
Just in case my poorly-formatted comment didn't make sense, I've removed the reference to the LA Times top 10 industrial albums article, as it only mentions Godflesh in passing. The article at https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-04-19-ca-737-story.html reads:

''Head of David, “Dustbowl” (1988). This is basically the recording that introduced death disco to heavy-metal-riff guitar (singer Justin Broadrick was also a founding member of grindcore band Napalm Death and went on to form grind/industrial band Godflesh), and as such was surely one of the most avidly studied obscure albums of the late ‘80s. Though it probably sold only a few hundred copies in the United States, you can hear echoes of “Dustbowl” in everything from Ministry to Nine Inch Nails.''

Useful as a more general evolution of industrial metal reference or something for Head of David, but it's not really a Godflesh article or point, just a note that Broadrick was involved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.171.50 (talk) 12:09, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ooh, great catch! Thank you. CelestialWeevil</b> (<b style="color: #6f6177;">talk</b>) 14:45, 26 April 2020 (UTC)