Talk:Streetwear

What is going on?
What the hell is going on here? Why is that Street Wear/Streetwear articles constantly removed or "merged" with the Hip-Hop/Urban Fashion Article? Improve, rewrite but don't merge, its not the same. Skateboarders, X-Sport, east Village culture/fashion is a bit different from Urban.. And they're catered by a lot of smaller independent artist/designers brands, as oppose in Hip-Hop owned by music moguls with very little background and input on art design of their product..24.184.58.136 (talk) 19:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * This article needs third-party reliable sources to establish that this topic is notable as an independent topic, or it will be merged or deleted. Please do not remove the tags until the problem is addressed.  BradV  04:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * There are pygmy elephants living in Africa, if you've never heard a about them it doesn't mean they are not NOTABLE... You have couple "streetwear" references in the article plus a definition too.. There is an article in Wiki "Mass Appeal Magazine" which "covers a wide variety of topics ranging from graffiti culture, hip hop music, and STREETWEAR to SKATEBOARDING, video games, cars and movies". You have not established a case that STREETWEAR topic is not notable. Please remove NOTABILITY tags from the article. Article itself is not a chest of information, but notability of the topic is not the issue.. Improve it but don't remove it...24.45.31.38 (talk) 01:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The way to improve the article is by finding sources. If those cannot be found then the article fails the verifiability policy.  BradV  02:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Notability issue has been addressed. Outside independent sources have been linked. Please, remove those tags from the article.Imprevu (talk) 12:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you are confusing reliable sources with external links.  BradV  15:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No, that's you who have been confused or have inept understanding of the topic.  Reliable Sources  ARE included within external links. For example, check out  Mass Appeal Magazine, published independent respectable source sold at newsstands.. Search at their site word STREETWEAR and read dozen of articles in reference to steetwear style and culture, etc. You have ignored every proof I've presented, you have no argument on this issue... From Wikipedia: Reliable Sources: "reliable sources are credible published materials with a reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand."  And all of that has been presented... prove otherwise or shut up...Imprevu (talk) 19:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Check out: http://www.amazon.com/Streetwear-Insiders-Guide-Steven-Vogel/dp/0811860361 Streetwear is NOT the same as HipHop fashion Also check out trade exhibitions such as http://www.breadandbutter.com and http://www.margin.tv to get a grip on what streetwear's about. These are streetwear exhibitions where hiphop fashion plays a very small part. Urban hiphop fashion may dominate streetwear in the USA but this is not the case across the rest of the world.


 * "Likely", "Possible" are weak points against already presented NUMEROUS REFERENCES for Notability of the article on the article and talk pages. The STREETWEAR is the term used to define very particular style of clothing made by dozens of independent and big name brands. The discussion on the talk page has been stalled because BradV, Proposer of AFD has coped out from the discussion. Community should reject The Proposer's Personal POV on the issue as inept understanding of the subject.Imprevu (talk) 02:22, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

To clear a few things up. Hip Hop or Urban Wear was born out of what we call Streetwear. The Beastie Boys, or more specifically Mike D started XLARGE with Eli Bonerz in 1989. This along with Stussy, Fresh Jive and shortly after FUCT were the first of what today is called Streetwear. Echo, Pelle Pelle, FUBU, roca wear, etc... came after this. If you really want to get down to it, Dickies, Ben Davis, Converse Chucks, Vans and Adidas Shell toes was the first streetwear. The XLARGE logo is actually an appropriation of the Ben Davis logo as this is what Mike D and Eli were into wearing and sold as streetwear in the X-FUCT store in L.A. XLARGE spawned many brands out of influence, such as A Bathing Ape. There would be no Gorilla, Ape or monkey in Streetwear if it was not for XLARGE.

But back to Hip Hop and Streetwear, Streetwear has no musical taste, where Hip Hop or urban wear corners itself into one music category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Staightouttala (talk • contribs) 20:24, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Protected Article
This article was nominated for deletion on 20 June 2008. The result of the discussion was KEEP IT! Don't remove it, don't redirect to loosely related(by uninformed) Urban Fashion (Hip Hop fashion) article! Imprevu (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no such thing as a 'Protected Article' by this definition. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 13:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Straightforward Task
As Imprevu is having difficulties following what is being requested, or simply wishes to ignore questions. I'm spelling it out simply below.

Please pick any one of the external links removed and explain its validity according to the criteria in Wikipedia's policy on external links. More specifically the criteria listed at WP:ELYES and MAYBE. Please take care not to confuse external links with cites. These are not the same and perform different roles. Thanks. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 13:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * EO, look above at "External Links" paragraph, read "Wikipedia's policy on external links" criterias there and you'll be less confused... Everything has been addressed on Talk and Deletion Discussion pages... Imprevu (talk) 22:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You have still not answered the above. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 23:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Everything there...Imprevu (talk) 23:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well humour me and point it out. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 23:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I already did. You dont pay attentionImprevu (talk) 23:09, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * And I asked at the time (and you ignored): What in these sites is "accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article" and "meaningful, relevant content"? I've looked at them. I can barely find anything that explains "streetwear". The problem I have with these ELs is that no reference is made to them in the article, and there is no explanation to their relevance either here, or on the websites themselves. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 23:13, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you looking for definition there? They are not dictionaries... Relevance? Type this article title name in their searches and you'll find a lot of relevant stuff. Im not here to write a dissertation on a theme, just pointing out Imprevu (talk) 23:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Just because a magazine mentions streetwear does not mean it should be linked. Wikipedia is not a links directory.  Where is the "accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article"?  There may be material here that could be made use of in providing cites and expanding the content of the article.  But you don't appear to be interested in improving the article, just in protecting these external links.  Why is that?
 * Either way, the EL's should explain themselves. The reader shouldn't have to work out why they are there and search the website for content that may be relevant.  There is still no explanation on these links as to why they are on the article.
 * The complex.com site appears to contain nothing but blogs. These are links to be avoided.  See Point 11 here..
 * The www.viceland.com site doesn't appear to have anything of significance on streetwear, other than the occasional passing mention. I don't see what it is providing that is of value to the article. Could you link me a good example of a page that you believe provides good information on streetwear (rather than just mentions it)? Thanks. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 00:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * OK with your latest edit. Imprevu (talk) 22:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Street wear, Streetwear, Hip hop fashion

 * In Requested moves I found this move request: "* Street wear → (move) — correct spelling of Streetwear fashion. Bpunux (talk) 01:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)". I found in Street wear a short text; in Streetwear a longer text but recently redirected to Hip hop fashion. As some editors say that "streetwear" is not the same as "hip hop fashion", I reverted this redirection, and text-merged Street wear to Streetwear, and moved Talk:Street wear to here. Please, someone who knows more than me about teenage fashions and suchlike, sort this lot out. (I do not follow pop music and my usual comfortable street wear is a boilersuit.) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Anyone there?
This page is a mess and looks like it hasn't been touched in years. Can we get some streetwear knowledgeable people to clean it up?

Mistamystery (talk) 23:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It has been touched in years, but it is such a flimsy article it's difficult to know what to do with it. The term "streetwear" is imprecise and tends to be more a marketing term, from what I can see.  As such this article doesn't attract much except spam links and transparent plugs.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 23:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * May I propose a redraft nonetheless? Even though it's a continually evolving form of fashion, there are enough mainstream publications and sources to give a clear enough picture of what streetwear is. I'm going to start one in my sandbox, if you're up for helping out/providing guidance.Mistamystery (talk) 23:29, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If you think that the term can be pinned down enough then please go for it. There's nothing in the present article that couldn't be changed/improved.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 13:13, 3 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Got started on it. Found some pretty solid sources on how to academically define streetwear. Hoping people will come in to fill the history section (which will be very long and diverse), but hopefully, the article is off to a better start. Mistamystery (talk) 00:01, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Globalize
The article seems entirely based on examples from the United States. I'm no expert in the field but imagine streetwear in Britain, for instance, might have evolved differently and from other origins? Meticulo (talk) 03:59, 12 August 2015 (UTC) Struck through as my comment is redundant thanks to kind explanation below. Meticulo (talk) 03:48, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The phrase "streetwear" in this context refers explicitly to the industries/brands/products that have grown under the umbrella of, and self-referred to themselves explicitly as "streetwear" (as opposed to the label being applied externally.


 * Absolutely agree there should be additional sections on the development of streetwear in specific countries/cultures - please always make sure it's backed up by proper attribution and sources Mistamystery (talk) 22:57, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Purple Mark
I've removed Purple Mark from the 'See also' section. If there's anything which makes this 'fashion notable' particularly significant to streetwear (in the sense that the term is used in this article), could someone please add this information to the Purple Mark article and revert my edit. Thanks. Meticulo (talk) 22:43, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

please take a look
help edit this page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_Skateboards Nignaco (talk) 03:06, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Salvageable contribution?
Unfortunately I've deleted a lot of unreferenced but potentially useful information with this edit. Someone with a better knowledge than me of reliable sources in this field may be able to salvage some of it, or provide their own referenced contribution along similar lines. Meticulo (talk) 03:48, 10 July 2021 (UTC)