Talk:Strisores

Confused taxonomy
The article text and the taxobox don't agree on what taxon is being described. This needs to be sorted. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:31, 17 February 2019 (UTC)


 * The problem is that the formal taxonomy is in flux here. There is little question that the traditional order Caprimulgiformes is paraphyletic with respect to Apodiformes and there are two schools on how to handle it. Some, reluctant to abandon the iconic Apodiformes, reassign the families of traditional Caprimuligiformes to their own orders, while others redefine Caprimuligiformes to include the Apodiformes families (i.e. = Strisores). Birds Alive and HBW take the latter approach (here, while recent phylogenetic studies have tended to be splitters. The IOC sits on the fence and keeps the traditional orders (at least here and here), which is where the Wikipeedia articles largely align. The phylogenetic relationships within the group seem fairly robust, they just need to decide on whether it is one order or five or six. A lot of articles need updating depending on this choice.  Jts1882 &#124; talk 14:21, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * however, it's worth noting that you have made the text and taxobox agree, which is an improvement! Peter coxhead (talk) 22:33, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * What was confusing was that Taxonomy/Strisores had Cypselomorphae so Cypselomorpha apppeared in the taxobox (with the article Cypselomorphae redirects to Strisores). Should such inconsistencies between taxonomy template name and the link name (when not a redirect) be flagged?  Jts1882 &#124; talk 08:14, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * yes, it's in progress – indeed that's how I found this example. I'll comment further on your talk page as it's not directly relevant here. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:13, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

"Nightbirds"
How often is this term used for this group? I don't think it's particularly fitting since 130 species are nocturnal, vs. 488 diurnal species (based on the current IOC list), and there are many birds which aren't from this clade that are nocturnal. --Balaena857 (talk) 15:59, 12 April 2023 (UTC)