Talk:Strong emergence

Water is not Strong Emergence
I removed water as an example of strong emergence. For example, see http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/10/at-the-smallest-scale-water-is-a.html

160.39.210.156 (talk) 05:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your interest in this. The article you posted from Science magazine makes no reference to the concept of emergence. I wonder if anyone has a reference for your claim (in the reason you gave for your undo) that there are no emergent properties within physics. I've heard the opposite in discussions with physicists, although perhaps they're not experts on the concept of emergence. Thoughts anyone? Bob Enyart, Denver radio host at KGOV (talk) 05:13, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Pier Luigi Luisi, Italian chemistry professor who has worked in Switzerland has been published by Cambridge University Press writing about water as an example of emergence (consistent with other easily found references). So I've gone ahead and added this reference and put the following text back into the main article: "An example from physics of such emergence is water, being seemingly unpredictable even after an exhaustive study of the properties of its constituent atoms of hydrogen and oxygen." In a chapter titled The notion of emergence, Luisi wrote in his The Emergence of Life: From Chemical Origins to Synthetic Biology 2006, is a discussion about strong emergence and gives the "example of the formation of water from the two gaseous components oxygen and hydrogen, the emergence of the water molecule profoundly affects the properties of both..." p. 119. Pages 116 to 119 are directly relevant. Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host (talk) 16:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)