Talk:Stronghold (2001 video game)

Copyedit
Extensive copy editing done by EdibleKarma 06:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC). Note that this article is still desperately in need of review.

Copy editing done by:Eagle (talk) (desk) 00:42, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Fansites
P.S. Are the fansites needed? Seems extraneous.


 * I think that the fansites are good. I always go on www.stronghold.heavengames.com, and now i can go on others. Im not sure if theres a map editing section to the page, ill see to it. But if not, I'll maybe add something, since I'm a regular map designer on www.stronghold.heavengames.com. If you pass by there, search in the download section for Pat Dark Knight. I made a few skirmish maps for Stronghold Crusaders paat


 * The talk page is for discussion of this article, not for discussing your personal history with game modification. I agree that the fan sites are extraneous.  Fan sites are prone to inaccuracies and unsupported subjective opinion, they are not encyclopedic.  Best to stick with official sites, recognized game review sites (like Gamespot or GameSpy) and the publisher site. 12.22.250.4 17:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Stronghold Crusaders?
I agree, the stronghold crusader section isnt very good. There could be more useful information like external links. It doesnt even mention the expansion pack that adds 30 skirmish missions, extra A.I., etc.

Stronghold Crusaders?
I saw that theres a Stronghold Page ( very complete!) and a Stronghold 2 page. But theres no Stronghold Crusaders. I thought of starting one, but I wasnt sure if I could copy some info from here and put it into Crusaders, since its a whole lotta of the same thing, except the mercenaries and its an arabic theme. Ex.: The Gameplay seems quite similar, with some few additions. but im not sure, since I dont want the readers to read the exact same thing

What to do? paat


 * Actually, Crusader is pretty different is some respects. I actually prefer Crusader because of its skirmish mode. I've already set-up a basic page for Crusader without copying anything from this article.-- Renegade  Replicant |leave me a message  14:34, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Peasant names
Do you think its necessary to add all the names of the pesants in Stronghold? paat 02:42, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably not. Its nothing terribly important or vital. --Renegade Replicant 21:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Not really but it's still fun :P

Stronghold 2
if they reviewed it now with the new 1.3.1 patch its score would be a lot higher.
 * Sign your posts. What does this have to do with the article? 12.22.250.4 17:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The link to castle attack 2 lead to a trojan so I have changed it to just the name. [RandomJack] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.89.189.127 (talk) 03:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Few updates..
Hey guys, I updated the page with a bit of info on the 1.3.1. patch. I'll add information about Crusader momentarily. JS92647

Article cleanup needed
In reference to the banner regarding the 1st person references throughout the latter half of the article "you", "your", etc: this definitely needs to get cleaned up. In the process, I think that there are a couple of options that could be pursued here: Thoughts? .digamma 23:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Stronghold series is a basic city building game with combat objectives interwoven throughout:
 * Collect the article information about units, buildings, and characters into a main section called "Thematic Gameplay of the Series." Represent the units, buildings, and characters of all the games in the series (citing the game in which it exists), not just the currently described Stronghold game.  This would allow comparisons and contrasts to be made to other units either removed or present, or
 * Do away with all the unit, buildings, and character detail and summarize the strengths of these three classes into a main section, "Series Gameplay Infrastructure."
 * Create separate articles for each of the games in the series: Stronghold, Stronghold: Crusader, Stronghold 2, Stronghold: Legends
 * Another main section could be added regarding strategies for castle attacks - focusing on the strength of one unit used in conjunction with another unit during an attack, or as in Stronghold 2 the benefit of positioning certain units and moving others all in defense of an attack, etc.
 * Another main section could be added describing the map/scenario editors of these games (if Legends has one). Compare and contrast the capabilities of the editors in each game in this single section - or create this section in each of the articles created for each game.
 * Aiiight, I added a combat section, though it greatly needs improvement; any revision at all will be helpful.-- Įиʛ§øç βїʛβяøтњєя Rant 18:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Added a map editor section; Stronghold's map editor is very unique, as I explained. -- Įиʛ§øç βїʛβяøтњєя Rant 05:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Crusader refered to as an expansion...
The opening paragraph referes to Crusader as an expansion pack, but it is a standalone game. I made the changes to correct this.Fjer 00:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Changes Gravely Needed!!
Right now, this article would be (in my eyes) TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE condition! I tried to improve it, but I probably ended up adding useless cruft. We need sources! We need images! We need everything! Be Bold! Strike down this article as you would strike down enemies with 300 men! Forward! Forward Comrades! Forward! (I probably sounded like a horrible orator...) -- Įиʛ§øç βїʛβяøтњєя Rant 04:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

300 ARCHERS and about 700 KNIGHTS

pit them against each other it's so funny to watch —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.73.145 (talk) 19:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Mac version
A port to Mac OS X of this game was released by MacSoft, but is not reflected in the article. Article contents changed to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.6.75.112 (talk) 13:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Strongholdcover.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Major additions and revisions
I felt like the Stronghold article deserved more than it had, so I took it upon myself to add bits and revise things where I thought they were needed. I hope everybody agrees that with the new changes the article looks and reads better. If anyone would like to add more or revoke some of my changes you are welcome to. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 17:23, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

More Major additions and revisions
I also felt the article deserved more, but I removed all the characters. See the game image at the top of this page. I updated the review section, added content about gameplay, etc. Please comment before reverting my removal of the characters section. GRHooked (talk) 06:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a few points, you have made a rather common mistake of using the second-person, "you, your" etc, in the article - this needs to be replaced with third-person language, "the player, the user" etc. Also some may be bordering on WP:GAMEGUIDE material, "By association, the actual rate of incoming people is directly affected by how popular you are: a high popularity results in new peasants pouring in, while a lower (but still liked) popularity results in new peasants at a slower speed" is a line that properly goes into too much depth, and this "A common game strategy is to overproduce certain resources, such as iron and weapons, and sell that off for the surplus money. That money, then, can be used to decrease taxes or buy much needed resources" is a violation of the guidelines, strategy hints should not be in Wikipedia. On another note, good job in cutting down the map editor and character sections, the best recommended way of dealing with them is a summary, such as Call of Duty 4s section. QueenCake (talk) 18:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC


 * Thanks for the points. I tried to keep it as broad as possible without making it a strategy guide, but upon reflection, I did anyways. Also removed all second person references (I should know better - I got a B in Honors Freshman English several years ago for that exact reason). Thanks! Any more tips would be appreciated (here or on my talk page). Thanks again! GRHooked (talk) 00:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It's fine, I made these sort of mistakes originally, everyone does at first, its how we learn to write in the 'pedia. Good job fixing it up, hope to see you around QueenCake (talk) 16:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Plot
I think the plot part should be more expanded, like names could be told and the storyline throughout the missions could be revealed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pepertje (talk • contribs) 20:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Mention of ANDROID or iOS version?
Would be useful to have that implemented in a review overview.--SvenAERTS (talk) 11:00, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Source

 * https://web.archive.org/web/20011128083749/http://www.fireflyworlds.com/
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20011216233340/http://www.eurogamer.net:80/content/i_firefly
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20030503214932/http://www.pcgames.de/?product_id=16509
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20220524105554/https://www.gameswelt.de/stronghold/news/takes-burgensimulation-erfolgreicher-als-erwartet-64928