Talk:Student affairs

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To do:

1. Expansion of history: need deans of women and the large movements in the profession including historical and political context

2. Expansion of each "area"

3. Expansion of the listing of professional organizations

4. Explanation of outsourcing and auxiliary services with examples

5. Is there anywhere a high-level description of the typical organization of American universities (academic affairs, student affairs, administrative affairs, etc.)?

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Professional Organization list in External Links
I noticed that the professional organization external links list was removed. I realize that Wikipedia is not a directory of links, but these are organizations that are part of what it means to be a Student Affairs practitioner. I feel like the list should be re-added to the article. Thoughts? Eric Stoller 22:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry Eric but a list of external links seems to be the very definition of a "directory of links." If one were to write an article for each of those organizations (a laudable and attainable goal), links to them either directly or via a "Student Affairs" category or some similar manner would be entirely appropriate.  I'd be okay with one link to an external site that listed Student Affairs professional organizations, though (is there one at studentaffairs.com or elsewhere?).  --ElKevbo 22:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback ElKevbo. I appreciate it. I'm actually trying to put together an article about one of the orgs. The difficulty lies in that although these are internationally known orgs, most have never been written about in the press in terms of history, mission, etc. It's always just soundbites from representatives regarding a certain news topic. The NASPA article was recently deleted because I was using it as an example of what I was trying to do with this other org. I'll see if I can find a site that has a directory of Student Affairs Professional Organizations. Studentaffairs.com might be a good place to search... NASPA probably has a directory somewhere on their site.Eric Stoller 22:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I added a link to the Student Affairs Professional Associations list on Studentaffairs.com. Cheers. Eric Stoller 23:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Criticism
Not certain why the criticism aspect has been removed again and again. I tracked the IP and it leads to Brandeis University, leading me to think that someone in SA there has a bit too much sensitivity. Melmennnnn (talk) 07:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just removed the section again as it's completely unsourced. Find some reliable sources if you'd like to include the information.  --ElKevbo (talk) 14:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I added more to the criticism section, including much more sourced information. Hopefully this will give a better overview of basic criticisms made of the field. stolaj4 09:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I still feel this criticism should be removed or at least moved to a different page. Most of it is unsourced, and the parts that are sourced relate more to student development theories than student affairs work. The large quote is also extremely outdated (1979).67.170.76.139 (talk) 04:01, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm really surprised to see this section as it doesn't seem to fit with Wikipedia's standards of being unbiased. These criticisms are mostly based in opinions and don't showcase both side of the arguments against or for the feild. This section doesn't really feel like it contributes to the overall knowledge to what is Student Affairs and Services. Therefore I think it should be removed or needs to have much more reliable sources on where these criticisms are coming from. Clairabella17 (talk) 02:45, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I recommend caution for any student affairs students or professionals editing this page to remove negative information; that's too easily seen as bias. Please remember that sources are allowed to be biased; WP:NPOV applies to what we write as editors, not what others write. However, if the material in the article does not reflect a significant viewpoint or is very poorly sourced then those may be valid grounds for removal. ElKevbo (talk) 03:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I attempted to add more current or recent citations regarding common critiques made towards the organization and cultures of student affairs and services. These are broad to be reflective of the field. I hesitated to remove existing content, and attempted to add clarifying language to return focus onto student affairs; Another note is added where a citation may be needed. Jl5marti (talk) 02:14, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

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Adding a new section
I'm thinking of adding a new section to this page called 'Contemporary Issues in Student Affairs' and a subheading 'Student Mental Health'. If anyone has ideas of where on this page this would work the best or comments for me - please feel free to chat with me here.Wallaby19 (talk) 18:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I think adding a section called Contemporary Issues is a great idea! It would keep people in the loop about current things that are happening and this can be updated as the topics change. Kclarkez (talk)

I am also thinking of adding a new section called Indigenous Support, which could be a section of its own or part of the Diversity and Inclusion section, which should be changed to reflect the newest name: Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion. Any thoughts?ContributorAE (talk) 02:23, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Areas
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have made a fairly significant edit to the initial text in the "Areas" section on this page. My edit incorporates the functional areas of student affairs, as defined by NASPA and other professional student affairs associations. My edit is an effort to better structure and support this section. I decided to leave the pre-existing subheadings/descriptions, of Student Affairs Areas, that were outlined by the previous contributor(s). I think deleting these and starting from scratch would have been too large a task for one Wikiepdian, and potentially disrespectful to the previous contributor(s). That said, the "Areas" section still leaves a lot to be desired. Some recommendations for future edits might include: aligning the various areas subheadings with student affairs functional areas, expanding on and editing areas, and supporting area descriptions with appropriate and adequate literature and sources. I welcome constructive feedback and am happy to brainstorm on the future direction of this section!

Thanks! Reidbeaudry (talk) 22:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Some great thoughts considered here. I would suggest that this become a group project as the overall "areas" of student affairs is an important topic for NASPA and CACUSS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpokesSSE (talk • contribs) 16:29, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merge of College Student Personnel into Student affairs
At the moment, this seems like advertising. There are other possibilities for article subjects, such as student affairs education or List of student affairs degree programs. Unless an eager writer steps forward, it seems best to merge into the existing parent in summary style before dreaming of potential articles on subsections. Daask (talk) 13:46, 30 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree with this suggestion Daask! --Kclarkez (talk) 22:53, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed as well, unless someone can find enough independent sourcing that it meets GNG as an academic discipline. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 02:01, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 11:23, 11 September 2021 (UTC)