Talk:Styria (state)

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From the article: "It is also called Upper Styria, or Obersteiermark".

This is very confusing, to put it mildly. If we consider Styria as an Austrian Bundesland -- and that's the idea here, after disambiguation -- then Obersteiermark (or Upper Styria) refers to those regions within Styria (state) closest to Lower Austria (e g the Semmering region), not to the whole Bundesland.

But a lot will have to be written about Styria anyway, and then this will have to be changed, too. --KF 22:18 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Yes, this is odd. The problem is that the larger Styria was an Austrian Bundesland before 1918, and the part that remains is, I suppose, more upper than the part that became part of Yugoslavia. I'm not convinced that there should be separate articles on "Styria (Duchy)" and "Styria (State)". Was Styria as it existed in the 19th century really more of a duchy than a state? I'd say not. The transition from the one to the other is rather seamless, and is not really marked by the date (1918) when part of the state was removed from Austrian control and became part of another country. john 22:31 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * Being from Styria myself, I added a clarification on the term Obersteiermark. This is actually used only for the northern and northwestern parts of Styria, not for the entire federal state. The parts west and east of Graz are refered to as Weststeiermark and Oststeiermark, respectively. Those parts which since 1918 are part of Slovenia were (and sometimes still are) refered to as Untersteiermark ("Lower Styria"). -- The article on Lower Styria suggests that the term "Upper Styria" (Gornja Štajerska) is used by Slovenians to refer to the Austrian federal state in its entirety. I do not think that this is actually the case since these terms were already in use in the times of the Austrian monarchy in the sense as described above, but I am not Slovenian so I did not change that article. --thomasgraz 19:28, 18 December 2005 (UTC)