Talk:Subaru Impreza WRX STI

GH/GE/GR
The correct model code for the US 2008 STI is GR, based on the model code present on the car's id plate (GRFAYEH). The 'R' code designates the 'wide body 5-door.

The 2008 WRX has the model code GH for the 5-door, and GE for the 4-door sedan. I'll update this page to be correct. Also, can we remove the speculation about the STI. The car has be available for sale since December 18th. Facts are known, so there should not be a reference to the 2008 as a 2009.

I added the correct curb weight, plus a note about the difference in width of the GH and GR chassis. I'll wait for comment before removing the reference to the NASIOC post about 8.5" width difference.  NOTE:  All of the specs I posted are direct from the 2008 STI and 2008 WRX service manual as provided by Subaru of America.

Jeffsponaugle (talk) 22:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

S204
I have added a couple of pictures showing the front seats of the S204 with two views and updated the text to add relevance to the S204 information.

Rxmth (talk) 14:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

2008 version
Rps 15:20, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Can someone that attended the Tokyo Motor Show get some free pictures of the new version ?
 * Have someone found a link to a press-kit, if one is available ?

22B
I had a feeling that 22B = 2.2 Litre Boxter Engine... Impreza01, alittle help...

Ajax - 3:07pm Monday 30th July 07

I understand that number 13 was actually made, and given the plaque. This car has recently turned up for sale in the UK on the autotrader website.

Also, I have heard the 3 prototypes were numbered 0,00, and 000.

Roberto Maietta 18 - July - 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.33.113.39 (talk) 14:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Redirect.
WRX STi and Subaru WRX STi should redirect here. Morwan

Done. Mike Tigas 04:48, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Revamp
I totally revamped the article. I hope someone who is into Subarus can double check the information that I put in. Impreza01

Updated
I updated the technical information and corrected spelling errors. Impreza01

Restored
Restored the page due to a stupid spammer deleting much of the content. Impreza01

Information correction....
I was just reading through this page, and caught something that was incorrect, being a fellow Subaru enthusiast. I'll leave changing it up to someone else, since I really don't know what would be a more fitting description for the design of the 2006 Impreza. My main point: the current description is wrong. The comment about Andreas Zapatinas revamping the Impreza styling in 2006 is incorrect. The majority of the design (aka: the "Alfa" look that everyone seems to associate with him) was already set before he came on board, so technically he wasn't the one responsible for the new look. The Subaru team was going for a "propeller" grille to honor their heritage. His styling won't be seen until the release of the 2008 Impreza. This is all paraphrased from David Rowley, Subaru spokesperson, in an article by Gavin McGrath on carsguide.news.com.au   Wrx580 03:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Type RA Clarification
The RA acronym has more or less had it's meaning changed over the years. Initially, it stood for "Record Attempt", as Subaru of Japan used the Nurburgring to set a new lap record for the Impreza WRX STi. A more recent example can be seen on the 2005MY WRX STI Spec C Type RA, the usage of "Record Attempt" is apparent. However, not every revision of the Type RA has been used on the Nurburgring. Currently, it is marketting that decides what "RA" means. Here is a response from Subaru of Japan (the makers and sellers of the Impreza WRX STi Type RA and Spec C Type RA) sent on 11/10/2006:

この度はご質問をお寄せいただきまして有難うございました. 日頃はスバル車にご関心をお寄せくださいまして誠に有難うございます.

スバルインプレッサTYPE　RA－Rの「RA」の意味は、 Rがレーシング、AがグループAという意味を持っています.

今後共にどうぞスバルを宜しくお願い申し上げます.

＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊ このメールボックスは発信専用です. 改めてのご質問は富士重工業のホームページＦＡＱからお願いします. ＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊＊

It translates to R = Racing, A = Group A for the WRC class the WRC Impreza competes in. The car Subaru of Japan is referring to is the 2007MY WRX STI Spec C Type RA-R.

To date, the official names that have been used are "Record Attempt" and "R = Racing, A = Group A".

Impreza01 23:05, 30 Nov 2006 (UTC)

It's always been my understanding that, certainly before 2001, RA stood for 'Race Altered'. Please see - [www.type-ra.co.uk/faq.htm]

A vehicle infobox
Someone should make a vehicle infobox for this vehicle. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DifiCa (talk • contribs) 14:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Rev G, and the aluminum issue
From nosing around the STi site, it would appear that the 2007 models are actually Rev G. I'm going to see if I can find a corroborating source for this, since I am not sure how proper it is to cite Japanese language references.

Also, I like how the bit about the changes for 2007 with regard to the control arms is coming together. My issue is that it is an abundantly common consensus on the forums that the control arms on the 2007, while not the arms from the JDM Spec-C, are very much aluminum. So the aluminum issue is still a non-sequitur here. The problem is that the Drive article was erroneous, but it seems weird to cite nasioc and iwsti postings as a counter-refence to a traditional publication. 65.202.215.2 15:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

older model pictures
its a shame there aren't any pictures of the older type impreza's, the ones before the rounded headlights came into use.

it would be nice to see a distinction between the 3 types i have seen (i like to identify them by headlights) with pictures in any of the 3 articles of this car shape. SleweD 18:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems like someone (possibly Roguegeek) is going around cleaning up the older models images. I will add the ones I contributed to this article, and they can be used when the new 2008 model comes out as point of reference. --ric_man 05:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Ratio discussion re: most recent US model is wrong
Quoting:

Rev. G (2007)



The gear ratios of second, third and fourth gears have been made longer (higher ratio) in order to improve fuel economy and driveability, which inadvertently reduces 1/4 miles drag racing times due to the ability to trap 114 mph in 4th gear, without the shift to 5th.

If second, third, and fourth gears were made [u]longer[/u], then getting to the quarter mile mark would be done in a [u]lower[/u] gear than if the gears were relatively [u]shorter[/u]. This should be clarified -- either the gears were made longer or shorter.


 * Wait...what needs to be clarified again? You've just restated what the article says, I think - the anecdotal evidence is that the new gearing means you don't need to shift to fifth. FYI the gear ratios on the 07 are 1st: 3.636, 2nd: 2.235, 3rd: 1.521, 4th:1.137, 5th:0.971, 6th: 0.756, final 3.9; gear ratios on 06 were 1st: 3.636, 2nd: 2.375, 3rd: 1.761, 4th:1.346, 5th:0.971, 6th: 0.756 final 3.9. That's from cars101.com. Is that what you mean - longer gears mean a lower ratio? Transentient 15:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

As far as the effect on 1/4 mile times, it actually is not so simple. With respect to the Subaru WRX STI, it may be that simple, because that vehicle has ample torque, and with ample torque, the goal is to minimize gear shifts. However, making gears longer can actually slow a vehicle's 1/4 mile times if the gears are too long -- in other words, the loss caused by a gear change is outweighed by a loss in available power at a given RPM. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.240.186.13 (talk) 13:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

In this case, the longer gear ratios meant a quicker 1/4mile time for the WRX STi, due to not needing to change to fifth gear. However, this is far from the norm, most cars would suffer an increased 1/4mile time if gear ratios were lengthened, which is why it is such a noteworthy fact that the Subaru's time was decreased. Dhalphir 07:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

You're right. 2007 STis are already putting down faster 1/4 mile times than previous model years with the same modifications and/or stock vehicles. The article should be updated to reflect this (if it hasn't been already). JiveMasterT 05:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

P1 Options
Having owned a P1 for 3 years, I'm not aware of any option to upgrade the suspension on a P1. The options were 6Pot brakes, electric Recaro seats, Prodrive Stamped backbox and 18" Alloys. If you spec'd all of them the car was badged Subaru Impreza P1 'WR'.   P1WOC for info.

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length
No chngs made, excellent article, but omigosh why is it so long? Literally needs to be cut in half. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zippogeek (talk • contribs) 12:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Please keep the length. The whole point of wikipedia is to find information. The information contained is not exhaustive, but is a good starting point with enough information to note principal design changes. This is very appropriate. Removing content that people care enough about to write and other people care enough to look up is ridiculous. There were some points that needed more content, such as what the distinctions were between "spec c" and other versions were.

WRX STI semi-automatic option.
When trying to include this option on the article, I have been constantly reverted because another user was not aware of this option being available.

Here are some links regarding the availability of semi-auto gearbox

does anyone object to this being included in the article?

119.173.81.176 (talk) 23:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You need to cite such claims in the future when you change the article, especially since it's exclusive to Japan only. And it does seem I do have a better social life than you, apparently. 「ɠu¹ɖяy」 ¤ • ¢ 18:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You could have gone to google and confirmed what I was saying was correct, if you had not been so busy reverting me. Oh, and it's nice to know you have a good social life. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 19:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Or you could have just cited your reference. Problem solved. 「ɠu¹ɖяy」 ¤ • ¢ 19:48, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice to see that lasted almost a week before you removed it again. Please gain consensus before removing cited information. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 16:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It does not belong in the main portion about the current gen information but in a sub section since it exclusive to the A-Line only in Japan. There rest of the section in the article are like this & will continue to stay like this. 「ɠu¹ɖяy」 ¤ • ¢ 17:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless you wish to make a subsection for every single market the car is sold in, I suggest that you leave it alone. The A-line is not the only model with the automatic option. The automatic option is available for the wrx sti, it has been cited - so assuming that you don't dispute the existence of an automatic option, you should really refrain from removing it. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 17:29, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Where is this cite that auto trannies are available for current gen STI's? Nowhere. The A-Line is a special variant, so that does not count. 「ɠu¹ɖяy」 ¤ • ¢ 17:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Does not count? Are you making this up as you go along? How many markets does a car have to be sold in for it to "count"? Is it a special variant? I don't see any limited edition, or anything saying that it is anything other than an wrx sti. All I see is a standard production model, sold by a Japanese company, in Japan. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 17:45, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Subaru has launched a new automatic version of its flagship Impreza WRX STI in Japan. it does not mention anything about special variants, it is not a limited edition - and more than anything else, it is a WRX STI. On Subaru Japan's website it is listed under the WRX STI section. I don't see what the problem is. Subaru make and market a WRX STI with an automatic box, it seems quite a simple thing to include on wikipedia. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * From the same article:

The new Impreza WRX STI A-Line uses a five-speed Sportshift transmission from rally-experts Prodrive, with steering wheel mounted shift paddles to keep the driver’s hands on the wheel.
 * The A-Line is a special variant. It does not have be limited edition for be categorized as so. 「ɠu¹ɖяy」 ¤ • ¢ 18:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I am interested in solving this without constant reverting, to me it just seems as if the A-line is a standard model, not like the spec C which was limited. Could you explain what makes the A-line a special variant, and why that makes it unsuitable for inclusion on the standard spec. I consider the A-line to just be a Japanese model of the wrx sti that is not (currently) available anywhere else.119.173.81.176 (talk) 18:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a special variant, just like the STI is a variant of the WRX and the WRX & STI are both variants of the Impreza. The A-Line is a special variant exclusive to Japan, just a the STI Limited is a special variant. 「ɠu¹ɖяy」 ¤ • ¢ 18:24, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

No, it is a standard Subaru model, available from Subaru with details on Subaru's website. On the Subaru's website it is listed under the WRX STI section - Spec C has its own section, but the A-line is within the WRX STI section, so Subaru consider it to be part of the standard WRX STI range, but you don't. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 18:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed, pretty clearly part of the STI range. --Leivick (talk) 18:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The Limited is available from the Subaru website. But the A-Line is exclusive to Japan, therefore it is a special variant, like the previous gen A-Line is classified as a special variant. 「ɠu¹ɖяy」 ¤ • ¢ 18:51, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Being exclusive to Japan does not make it a "special variant."  A-Line is just a marketing term, the fact is that the Japanese model line includes an automatic gear box option. I see zero reason that this should not be mentioned in the info box. --Leivick (talk) 18:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I am a little apprehensive about changing it back myself (I don't want to get anywhere near edit warring) but I see no valid reasons as to why this should not be on the info box. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 19:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a variant due to having a variation of the gearbox in the vehicle. It is marketed as the "STI A-Line". By definition it is a variant. 「ɠu¹ɖяy」 ¤ • ¢ 19:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it is just a WRX STI with an automatic gearbox. It is marketed as a WRX STI, On the Japanese website is does not have its own section (unlike the spec C) When a manufacturer offers a new level of trim or a new option, it is not a variant - this car is very much a WRX STI. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 19:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh but it does it's own page on Subaru Japan. 「ɠu¹ɖяy」 ¤ • ¢ 20:09, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Look at the address, http://www.subaru.jp/impreza/wrxsti/a-line - it is on the wrx sti page as opposed to the spec C which is on http://www.subaru.jp/impreza/stispecc/ - if you want to base things on the website, the spec C is an STI model, but the A-line is a WRX STI - hence it gets included here. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 20:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No the Spec C & A-Line are both variants. Yes, they can both be included in this article but they are are to be listed as variants. 「ɠu¹ɖяy」 ¤ • ¢ 20:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I see, care to give any reasons more detailed that "I am right, because I say so" ? because at the moment everyone else seems to have the opposite opinion to you, and unless you can give some valid reasons I can't see you getting your way. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 20:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

As outside opinion seems to agree with the inclusion of "semi-automatic" I have put it back in the article. There should be something stronger than "It doesn't count, because I say so" if an editor wishes to remove it again, due to the overwhelming comments in favour of its inclusion. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 13:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Super GT - what?
"Cusco announced that they would not participate in the 2009 season as they want \ The performance of Cusco was outstanding even though they were using a 4-door car" Guessing there's something missing from this sentence. 217.33.9.79 (talk) 22:42, 29 October 2011 (UTC)