Talk:Subaru Loyale

Rewrite
Would anyone be opposed to a rewrite of this article? The trouble I see is that there were three generations of the GL/DL/Leone/Loyale. You had Generation 1, Generation 2 (80-84) and Generation 3 / EA82 (85-94).

It would certainly make this article less confusing if it was split up into three main sections, and additional sections for common stuff like the naming schemes.

I'm a bit confused about the naming of these vehicles. The Loyale certainly makes sense, but it seems like the older vehicles were called 1800 DL, 1800 GL, and so forth, not the GL and DL alone. Prior to that, they were called the 1600, etc. Does anyone know which is the correct naming convention? --Milkmandan 18:16, 2005 Jan 28 (UTC)


 * Upon writing the template and stashing the link into all of the Subaru pages, I've noticed that the correct name may be the Subaru Leone. --Milkmandan 07:51, 2005 Jan 29 (UTC)

It was called the Leone internationally and the GL-10, GL, or DL in the US, depending on engine and trim level. It later became the Loyale, when the Legacy was introduced.

Difficult/Expensive to work on?
I've owned eight Subarus, mostly GLs, and live in an area where it snow quite a bit. The CV axles are generally good for 140,000 to 150,000 miles, which is better than most. The engines are actually easier to work on than many inline and V-configuration engines, especially for routine maintenance, as the spark plugs are right on top and all major sytems are easily accessible.

The article should probably also note some fairly advanced options on the GL models, like adjustable ride height and four-wheel disc brakes, which were not very common at the time.

GL-10 = Turbo
Were there any non-turbo GL-10 models sold in the USA market? As I recall all turbo models were GL-10...but not sure if it was the other way around. Some turbo models had pneumatic suspension, upgraded uphostery, power everything, a vacuum-flourescent instrument panel, 8-function trip computer, and black-coloured exterior door handles.

I live in australia and we have leoni's (no loyals) mine is 85,3spd auto 3eat, power evry thing,steel radiator, single flat headlights,ea82 motor,tacho,luxury interior and air con. It has one previous owner only mod is L.P.G and it goes verry well on lpg.

Differences Undocumented
Could this page at least show a Loyale photo, and not the DL with four headlights? I shamefully cannot explain the differences enough for the GL/DL "fanclub" that wrote this article. I have had both. I am my car's only mechanic. They are quite different in many places. It would make the difference factually if written. I have attempted it more than once, and it is disturbing, the changes made by this biased writer.3rd strike, I am out.I don't even want to list it all again. The Loyale was not just a demise of a model. Subaru really did make improvements for the last four year run of the driveline and body being shrugged off as a GL/DL clone. Biased articles is not what Wikipedia is about. Any suggestions on how to make an accurate list of importance? Any authority here? I am done quibbling with this anonymous deleter...



~soob792~ 01:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Many of the differences you talked about were not between the GL/DL and the Loyale. Example: Unibody changes. Those were made in 88. They were made to accomidate the 4EAT transmission. No other documented changes were made to the EA82 unibody. End tanks: I have seen both GLs and Loyales in junkyards with plastic end tanks on the radiators. I'm assuming you didn't own your Loyale since new, so you don't know for sure if it originally came with plastic or metal end tanks. Highest compression: Again not true according to the FSMs. Also, cylinder head castings were never changed. The single ported intake heads remained the same throughout all years. The only difference is with the two ported intake heads. There were three generations of those. All EA82 heads shared the SAME combustion chamber.

Also, from the side, the DL looks EXACTLY the same as a Loyale. Only way someone can tell the difference is either by hubcaps, or the label on the trim on the side.

If you feel that the anonymous deletion of your text was done incorrectly, feel free to get in touch with the wikipedia moderators.

Turbo 4WD Options
My 86 FSM shows 4WD Turbo offerings with a 3.7 transmission, and part time dual range 4WD. Yes, most turbos had a single range, pushbutton 4WD, not all did though. Most notably, the 85/86 RX had the dual range, as well as a unicorn, a 3 door coupe in 85/86