Talk:Subdominant

^b7
A sentence here was edited to read: "Music which modulates (changes key) often modulates into the subdominant through the introduction of the ^b7." I've removed the second half of it - I don't know what a "^b7" is, and I doubt many other people will. If somebody can put it into English, that would be good. --Camembert


 * I changed it to this "Music which modulates (changes key) often modulates into the subdominant when the leading tone is lowered by half step to the subtonic (B to Bb in the key of C)" and added a link, hopefully it makes more sense now. If not, take it off. --Wikidan81 02:35, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Camembert, I can only assume it means the flattened (b) seventh (7) degree (^).
 * Anonymous, Please sign your posts on talk pages per Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 19:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I think some of this confusion could have been avoided by using proper flat signs or spelling out "flattened seventh degree" per Manual of Style (music). I have converted the b's in the article to  which produces ♭. See Template:Music for details on using. --Dbolton 04:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested audio
I have added two audio examples to the article. Hyacinth (talk) 19:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to unify the layout of scale-degree pages
WikiProject Music Theory is spearheading a proposal to unify the layout of the scale-degree pages. The discussion can be found here. Since these pages not only include discussion of the scale-degrees, but also occasionally discuss triads and seventh chords built on these scale-degrees, it is important to systemize these pages. This will also curtail the creation of pages for each individual triad and seventh chord, some which may not necessarily contain enough content to be expanded beyond a stub. I invite you to comment on the proposal with thoughts, criticisms, or suggestions. Thanks! — Devin.chaloux (chat) 19:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

First Pic
The first pic reads: "Tonic and subdominant in C. C major and F major chords."

So, are there three tonic/subdominant pairs? Where?

The pic looks to be misleading, the description certainly is. --79.223.10.247 (talk) 17:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Modulation to the subdominant
The Dominant (music) article talks about modulation to the dominant in one section. This article similarly needs a section about modulation to the subdominant key. I'm quite sure it is common inside certain songs, using this progression:

I, V of IV, IV, irregular chord (this irregular chord is commonly either a minor iv chord or a #iv diminished chord; sometimes it is even V of V, which is modulation to the dominant.)

In the key of C, this progression is C, C7, F, Fm or F♯dim. (Note that C7 in the key of C major should not be called the I chord because it has B♭. It is the V chord of the key of F, and if you're using it in a piece whose home key is C major, it has to be called "V of IV". Georgia guy (talk) 00:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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