Talk:Submarine Warfare insignia

Dolphin fish not dolphin porpoise
It should be noted that these are Dolphinfish (AKA Mahi Mahi) on the insignia, and not the mammal dolphin. - 4/2/2015
 * 1) Formally they're dolphins, not mahi mahi.  References: (1) https://theleansubmariner.com/2018/10/16/the-origin-of-submarine-dolphins-part-deux/ (2) page 47: https://media.defense.gov/2019/Apr/27/2002122229/-1/-1/1/ah196101.pdf
 * 2) Having said that, no one really knows what was intended by the actual designer, a Philadelphia jeweler who passed away before the question was properly answered.  It could be mahi mahi, but my feeling is that they're actually heraldic dolphins.  Historically, heraldic dolphins were drawn as the insignia shows.  More references: https://mistholme.com/dictionary/dolphin/ and https://rarebooks.nd.edu/digital/heraldry/charges/fish.html and https://armorial.library.utoronto.ca/ordinaries/dolphin Weylin.piegorsch (talk) 20:39, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Adding other badges
I will be adding the Submarine Medical Badge, Sub Supply Corps Badge, and Engineering Duty Officer Pin in the near future. How can I access the "sub message" at the bottom of the screen? When editing the article it comes up as a template –  messsage and not a paragraph that can be altered. -User:Husnock 9 Sep 04


 * Go to Template:Submarine_insignia --the Epopt 23:02, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Template was acting real screwy. I had to perform minor space changes and character shifts to get it to pick up the new articles.  A bug in Wilk to be sure.  You'll notice my edits listed as "fixed template".  In other news, ALL sub badges now written!  Acknowldgement to the Epopt put on the discussion page of Military badges of the United States --Husnock 12 Sep 2004

US only insignia
Should the title reflect that the article is only concerned with submarine insginia in the US navy? Perhaps something like "USN submarine insignia" or Submarine insignia in the US navy?Lisiate 22:33, 29 May 2005 (UTC)


 * This article is not about "submarine insignia in the US Navy," it is about a very specific award, the Submarine Warfare insignia. Do any other countries have something exactly called the "Submarine Warfare insignia"?  Until there is a naming collision, I suggest we stick with the simplest name. &#10149;the Epopt 23:03, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Could it be mentioned that the 'dolphins' insignia was a tradition started in the Royal Australian Navy that is now commonplace among many navies
 * It could, if there is evidence to support it. However, use of dophins in naval insignia likely comes from British custom, or likely far before that, so I have my doubts (still, I'm not an expert in Aussie heraldry, so I could well be wrong).  Izuko 21:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It is used in the British Royal Navy, see Royal Navy Submarine Service. As I understand it, when dolphins are awarded, traditionally they are placed in a glass of navy rum which the receiving person drinks and catches the badge in their teeth. The article doesn't mention this and I wonder who started the tradition. 86.2.130.35 (talk) 13:20, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

I have a documentary on DVD that mentions it (it doesn't go into much detail though), i will have a look on the net for some proper evidence once i get my computer fixed (i even have a username here, if i can remember the password lol)

A bit of fun
I don't know how to properly add to Wikipedia, but...

A discussion pop up on the Yahoogroups DIRSUP group concerning the FLISH. The FLISH is an unofficial USN designator for someone qualified in birds, boats, and skimmers. It comprises a wing, a warship bow, and a dolphin. An entry in the Warfare insignia wiki would be pretty stout!


 * I would be glad to write it up, provided it was verifiably a designator in actual use somewhere. See Diesel Boats Forever insignia for an article I did on an unofficial but real pin. ➥the Epopt 03:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Submarine Insignia may not be the oldest U.S. Naval Insignia
I believe that the Submarine insignia is likely not the oldest U.S. Naval warfare insignia. Compare the date offered by this Wikipedia page for Submarine Warfare insignia (insignia accepted by acting Secretary of the Navy March 1924) with the date for Naval Aviator wings described by the official Naval Historical Center website in United States Naval Aviation 1910-1995 (Appendices): received from Bailey, Banks, and Biddle by the U.S. Navy December 1917.

I propose removing from the introductory paragraph the phrase "(and is the oldest)" for the sake of historical accuracy.

Absent any disagreement, I will make that change in the near future.

Elsa Shoe 17:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic content and unpublished synthesis
I started to go through the article and correct some syntax and grammar... I started by correcting the typical officer qualification length and then couldn't help myself. It wasn't long before I was pretty discouraged, though. I haven't read too much past the enlisted section, but this article is rife with original research - no doubt based on the valid experience of plenty of submariners - and cites only one source. It's also pretty unencyclopedic in style and content in places. Anyone have any suggestions on where to start fixing this? I'm sure there's got to be plenty of books or article published by current or former submariners detailing their qual program, and most of what's in this article would probably remain if someone was able to connect some of those sources to most of the statements in here.

Also, it seems that this article tries to cram a lot into one place. I don't know a lot about how to determine whether an article should be split, but doesn't it seem that there should be separate articles for Submarine Warfare insignia and submarine warfare qualification?

Rem01 07:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

It may not follow the correct format, but it follows basically what is required for enlisted and officer qualifications for the Submariner pin. Maybe removal of "slang" terms would be a consideration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.71.106 (talk) 22:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Only US Navy?
This article talks about the dolphins purely from a US Navy standpoint when at least one other navy (the Royal Navy) has similar submarine warfare insignia called "dolphins". Why does this article just talk about the US? --92.30.121.154 (talk) 23:20, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Because we are the best...no slack in Fast Attack!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.92.207.51 (talk) 23:14, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Not "Submarine Warfare" in U.S.
In the U.S. Navy, the qualification is not called "submarine warfare". One is simply "qualified in submarines". Perhaps that is semantical, but it is significant to submariners. 96.234.180.180 (talk) 19:51, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure what boats you were on, but we usually called it "submarine warfare quals," "sub quals," "sub warfare quals," and various other iterations of that. — al-Shimoni  (talk) 17:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

In the U.S. Navy the designator (SS) is added to end of the persons signature, i.e. PO3 Joe Submariner (SS); the SS is an abbreviation for Submarine Specialist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:CBC3:D800:D4E9:31BC:4E28:8C41 (talk) 00:35, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Correction: Joe Submariner PO3(SS). 71.233.90.196 (talk) 13:39, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Unless (SQ) or (SG) is applicable. 104.153.40.58 (talk) 20:32, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

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