Talk:Subprefectures of Hokkaido

I have removed subprefectures that, to me, seem not actual. I think this is due to a confusion with shityo used in Kishotyo (Japan Meteorological Agency). They are not part of administrative units or Japanese addressing system. -- Taku 22:59, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC)

From TakuyaMurata's talkpage.

Subprefecture
Prefectures other than Hokkaido and Nagasaki have Shicho&apos;s. Assuming you can read Japanese, please try following examples. These are in the prefectural government web sites.


 * http://www.soumu.metro.tokyo.jp/11osima/index.htm
 * http://www.pref.chiba.jp/shichou/chiba/index.html

Shicho&apos;s today are not used for addressing and Hokkaido is not an exception. Only occasionally, however, towns and villages on islands of Tokyo are (erroneously) called with shicho&apos;s.


 * Then please look at


 * http://www.glin.org/prefect/cpf/hokkaido.html
 * http://www.glin.org/prefect/cpf/chiba.html


 * I think they are different kind of subprefectures. I rely on the above web-page organizing geographic articles in Japan. It would be misleading to list up shicho in Chiba along with shicho in Hokkaido. If you know something about them, please let me know. -- Taku 01:53, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)

If you are talking about the past (before 1947), shicho&apos;s were peculiar to Hokkaido, but nowadays all prefectures are on the equal plane and they may or may not have shicho&apos;s by their own discretion. Listing only shicho&apos;s in Hokkaido is misleading. Peoples tend to believe Hokkaido is a special prefecture, as were in the past, but all its remaining speciality is its fancy name.

As to www.glin.org, it seems a nice site. But a personal site can not compete agsinst prefectural government official sites. As the shicho has the least sense for most peoples, it is not surprising the author of www.glin.org does not know all. What I had listed may not be exhaustive as well.


 * It is a personal site but based on official data published by the Japanese government. I will look at this issue more. Since I am not yet sure, I have restored your edition. -- Taku 06:33, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)

Chiba?
Although "subprefecture" is often used to refer to Hokkaido's shicho, I have never heard "subprefecture" used to refer to shicho in Chiba. Google doesn't seem to have any either: a search on "chiba subprefecture" only returned results based on Wikipedia, as well as a newspaper article in Hokkaido. Chiba calls its shicho "branch offices," which I think is a much more appropriate name, since the shicho don't seem to have any authority of their own. Sekicho 08:42, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)


 * I have come to think how about having an article Subprefectures in Hokkaido (technically, renaming this) and kill the rest. We are mainly interested in subprefectures in Hokkaido and other subprefectures like ones in Chiba are not the same as shicho in Hokkaido by nature? Discussion other than about Hokkaido prefecture can be moved to a corresponding prefecture articles. What do you say? -- Taku 04:50, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)


 * I say &#12362;&#39000;&#12356;&#12375;&#12414;&#12377;&#12290; Go for it. Sekicho 04:57, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)


 * Sekicho. As you said, shicho don't have any authority of their own. Same to shicho of the present Hokkaido. -- Takanoha 13:40, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Dates
With all that settled, I have another question. Where did these dates come from? From what I understand in the Japanese Wikipedia (and from what I've written in other articles), Hokkaido was only an agency (&#38283;&#25299;&#21490;) for a couple of decades in the Meiji era, and has had prefectural status (&#36947;) since the 1880's. Sekicho 07:36, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, Hokkaido became a normal prefecture as recently as 1947, so that I am careful not to translating shicho in the History Scttion as subprefecture. -- Takanoha 13:37, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Map broken
The numbers and letters shown on the map seem to be placed far away from the entities they indicate. -- Beland (talk) 20:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Areas and subprefectures that corresponded the 3 former prefectures in Hokkaido
Which of the areas, subprefectures, and municipalities represented the former Sapporo, Hakodate and Nemuro Prefectures? Drop your comment and lemme know. jlog3000 (talk) 18:27, 26 August 2013 (UTC)