Talk:Subsidies in Iran/GA2

GA Reassessment
This is not intended to re-assess the GA status nor to re-open the discussion but to explain to the readers that this article was/is up-to-date and meets all the GA criteria and has not changed much for years (& same holds true for the Tehran Stock Exchange article which was delisted for no real valid reason by a disgruntled person — see its discussion page for details). Cheers!😁 172.58.236.212 (talk) 03:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

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I hope someone will update this article. If not I will delist it. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:53, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * there is not much (if anything to update here). As stated in the lead and rest of this article, it was a plan to re-direct energy (and food) subsidies towards direct social assistance. This was voted into law by the Majlis. It is mainly sourced to WP:RS and hasn’t evolved since its promotion years ago according to this page edit history, except the implementation which was halted by the succeeding Rouhani government and for various reasons cited in section “effects and criticism”. Cheers. 172.58.239.32 (talk) 19:48, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * So it seems from your comments you would like me to rename it back to the original title so the scope returns to just that particular plan? If you want I will do so. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for quick reply - have reverted rename. I am going to carefully read the article and write more detail in this review or maybe add clarify tags. Meanwhile maybe you would like to have a look at the citation needed tags? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:25, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

The first sentence should say what it is Chidgk1 (talk) 17:57, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your edits also... i agree, there needs more refs may be since all presstv references have been removed following (from what I understand) a general disucssion about reliability of that source. However i must say that economic data is *ok* (generally speaking) since it was data released by the government (not propaganda or anything controversal as far as I can remember). So, a better thing would have been to leave PTV citations intact “as is” IMO or add a tag such as “more sources are needed“. You can see archived missing citations by reverting this article to its status a year (or so) ago.. Cheers!172.58.239.19 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I presume you mean "look at" rather than "revert". I don't have an opinion about presstv but we cannot expect the reader to look back at an old version.Chidgk1 (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Some sentences have out of date or confusing tenses - "will" should not be used unless we are pretty sure it will happen. Either tenses could be changed (e.g. "would have") or sentences removed or rewritten Chidgk1 (talk) 17:56, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Charts - do we need those which show projections to years which have now passed? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:59, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Lead - current status of plan unclear - cancelled? suspended? in limbo? deliberately vague for political reasons? revived? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Paris Agreement - if Iran ratified presumably this plan would have to be implemented - or would it be revised or scrapped in favor of a new plan? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:06, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Rather than spending time trying to find all the missing cites I suggest ruthlessly summarizing and shortening. Anyway there is too much detail I think. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:14, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Seventh five year development plan should be mentioned - does it include this plan? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:17, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Politics? Who supports subsidies and why was plan not completely implemented? Was that due to people protesting? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Searching google scholar for "iran subsidy reform" shows a lot pf possible sources such as:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ghg.2064

https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/232574/1/175269922X.pdf (to compare other countries)

https://ecor.modares.ac.ir/article-18-42291-en.html (says subsidies useful to get forex)
 * Thanks for the good links (as I am reading them).. one thing this intelligent man is missing (in the summary at least) is precisely the devaluation of currency exchange rates which made previous gained benefits of this plan go to waste (so to speak) since fuel prices increases are in rial (domestically speaking) while they are denominated in dollars outside if Iran...For the rest, I have said what I could find by myself (as answers to share with you). The charts are NEEDED IMHO to explain target prices in that plan and genesis for the idea. The status is somewhat unclear at the present time (i let the new admin make a new statement may be later and will update accordingly)/as said earlier i haven’t seen anything recently/yet...the core would remain the same and it has to bring domestic fuel prices to its neighbors f.o.b prices (i.e ~1 US dollar) within (10%) to avoid smuggling amongst other things such as waste/pollution (reason WHY it has been abandoned despite being a law (i.e corruption/profiteering/missmanagement, imho/ and i am NOT being political/ i just can’t explain it otherwise, logically). Paris agreement will need to be implemented as well and it is a serious thing but a separate issue somewhat. You can see Energy subsidies article (see Iran subsection and its linked WP articles) IT IS A BIG MESS (if you ask me/ again not a “political statement” but factual scientific sourced facts, imho). Best and thanks for your very interesting question about the Paris agreement (i did not make that link but is welcome additional “good self-imposed pressure” to make it right for all Iranians & the economy and global environment). Cheers. 172.58.239.19 (talk) 18:59, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * What people in Iran think of it? Not sure 100% but i think the narrative has been manipulated from start (since “economy is for donkeys” (sic) according to their previous supreme leader Khomeini statement. which can be true for ‘some’ aspects but not overall for sure (I am an economist also/it can be very costly for Iran or any country to miss-understand economics :-) People are told it is a right to have super-cheap fuel prices even if it doesn’t make sense for their own pocket. It is counter-intuitive but clearly sourced and explained by the Ahmadinejad gov then! (not being political again but mostly factual and scientific)...the rest might be off-topic as far as the GA review is concerned. I don’t mind answering your questions at all (I enjoy reading your good sources which confirm somewhat what i am thinking since 2005 about this subject!).. i think infiltrated elements are also secretly supporting this false narrative of “lower fuel prices is best” (beyond the smugglers or transport people) since missmanagement can collapse its economy better than sanctions itself (CIA source). So, CIA and smugglers or IRGC are somewhat strange “allies” in that big Circus!...(I know worst stories with better sources if you like which can make you re-think “reality” as commonly known) But I leave it for another time if u like (or by email).. Best,

Read [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Press_TV/Archive_3#PressTV_FACT? this] (about presstv) as a start and tell me what u think!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.239.19 (talk) 19:45, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I don't want to read it as it looks too time consuming and is referring back to previous discussions Chidgk1 (talk) 06:05, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

PS: to answer your question about “seventh development plan” the short answer is I don’t know yet (since the sixth plan goes until 2021).
 * Oh so the seventh plan starts beginning of your year on 21 March 2022 but no draft has yet been published or discussed by the public or parliament? So you don't know whether the subject of this article will be included as a subplan or not? If the draft plan will be published in January I suggest you write that in the article. Do you want me to put this review on hold for a month to give you time to study the draft 5 year plan? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:09, 30 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry I have more important things to do. I must do new year celebration with my family in New York. Best, 172.58.236.93 (talk) 11:25, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

PS: feel free to reassess as my intention was only to respond to all your points.


 * Happy New Year. I'll wait a couple of weeks and see if you or anyone else would be available to start updating the article. Also if anyone wants me to wait a little longer for the seventh economic plan please ask. If no one comes forward I will delist this article. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:13, 31 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I don’t see any reason to delist. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU🚌
 * Oh you want the formal Wikipedia reasons. Well the first criteria is "well written" - as I mention above there are grammatical errors in the tenses. If you want more formal reasons please ask. Chidgk1 (talk) 10:58, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

If you don’t see me around it’s i am doing more important things outside of WP! If i get a chance i look into it (7th plan). Cheers! God bless u. & fam. 172.58.239.44 (talk) 21:50, 2 January 2022 (UTC) :: this article hasn’t changed much since it became GA. It meets all criteria such as neutrality, completeness, refs (ptv refs have been removed by error as I told u before/nothing controversial or erroneous in terms of content if i remember correctly), depth, in fact I don’t know ANY similar article on this subject as detailed and complete with so many useful links and references in books, research papers, including in Farsi, or the U.S. Library of Congress etc. May be it is POLITICAL* (Grammar & details can be fixed quickly by yourself and others if you mean good instead of this long exchange! Kind regards (& I don’t care either way). CHEERS!172.58.236.135 (talk) 23:35, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * forgive me for saying that, but you said earlier that you did NOT “read this article carefully” by the time you had requested a WP:GAR. CHEERS. —172.58.236.135 (talk) 00:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no point in me reading the article carefully to find more problems if nobody is going to fix the problems I have already listed. I am not going to fix this article myself. This article may not have changed much since it became GA but Iran and the world have changed. This review is my individual review not a requested community review, so the decision whether to delist is mine alone, although your and anyone elses comments are welcome. I am going to wait a while to see whether a seventh economic plan is released and if so whether it mentions subsidies. Of course you are right that subsidies are political and that should be discussed in the article - please go ahead. Meanwhile if anyone would like to fix the problems I have already listed that would be great. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:35, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately the problems have not been fixed - delisting now Chidgk1 (talk) 08:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, @Chidgk1. I had created a GAS page. What should we do now? -- Victor Trevor  ( talk ) 17:15, 15 March 2022 (UTC)


 * This is technically confusing because of the renaming. It has already been delisted so there is nothing to do here. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)