Talk:Suburban Express

Daily Herald

 * 1) Daily Herald Release: http://www.toeppen.com/daily-herald-release.pdf
 * 2) Daily Herald Article re: Fare Wars http://www.toeppen.com/daily-herald-fare-wars-toeppen.pdf
 * 3) Daily Herald Article re: University of Iowa Service http://www.toeppen.com/daily-herald-uiowa-se.pdf

News-Gazette

 * 1) News-Gazette release: http://www.toeppen.com/gazette-release.pdf
 * 2) News-Gazette article re: Go Suburban - leave the driving to the entrepreneur: http://www.toeppen.com/oldarticles/1990_0408_news-gazette_article.pdf

Daily Illini

 * 1) Daily Illini release: http://www.toeppen.com/di-release.pdf
 * 2) Daily Illini article re: New cut-rate bus service: http://www.toeppen.com/oldarticles/1984_0128_new_cut-rate_bus_service.pdf
 * 3) Daily Illini article re: Illini Union Board budget matters - Greyhound commissions down by $15k (Translates to $150k sales decrease) http://www.toeppen.com/oldarticles/1984_IUB_budget_impact.pdf
 * 4) Daily Illini article re: Greyhound Predatory Pricing: http://www.toeppen.com/oldarticles/1985_0216_greyhound_predatory_pricing.pdf
 * 5) Daily Illini article re: Suburban Express using novel method to pursue cheaters: http://www.toeppen.com/oldarticles/1996_0117_bad_checks.pdf
 * 6) Daily Illini letter to editor re: Bad checks article: http://www.toeppen.com/oldarticles/1996_0118_di_letter_to_editor_re_badcheck_article.pdf
 * 7) Daily Illini article re: Students who thought they could do better... http://www.toeppen.com/oldarticles/2000_0823_6th_Wave_Opens.pdf
 * 8) Daily Illini article re: ...but who arguably failed: http://www.toeppen.com/oldarticles/2000_1030_Sixth_Wave_Screws_Up.pdf
 * 9) Daily Illini article re: Page of Shame https://dailyillini.com/news/2017/10/12/people-suburban-expresss-page-shame-give-story/

Restored links deleted by bot 173.141.182.177 (talk) 03:12, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I found these newspaper articles from the 1980s and 1990s to be helpful in bringing out the notable monopoly/price-war/predatory-pricing aspects of the immediate "post-deregulation" era. As stated in earlier votes/discussions of the notability of Suburban Express (whether to have an article or not at all), price-and-capacity "wars" were new and notable in the USA "back then". KevinCuddeback (talk) 15:29, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Subject's Self-Published Sources (from Archive.org)
Because the subject itself can be the source, some historical Suburban Express web pages from the Internet Archives, as suggested, should be referenced because they make un-exceptional claims about the "starts" of things along the company growth-path (usually +/- weeks, and near-always within 1 semester). It would be entirely "in character" for a bus company to accurately describe its services as-then-offered, and out of character to describe a phantom service.
 * I agree with the basic premise above; such sources can be used to support basic claims and data about the company and its products. I work a good bit on spaceflight-related articles and such sources are typically what we use to source the basic specs of launch vehicles and spacecraft.  I'm agnostic on the specifics of the following list.  Cheers.  N2e (talk) 15:23, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * So far, I have used these to support the start-year of kiosk ticketing (I selected 2002, as the "official" start, rather than the 2001 "trial") and service to University of Iowa.KevinCuddeback (talk) 16:08, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


 * 1) 1983 Brochure with self-headline of "Thanksgiving Express" (02/10/2003): Thanksgiving Express!
 * 2) (still, sadly, a 15-year gap here)
 * 3) 1998 website launch: SuburbanExpress.com (12/12/1998): Suburban Express Home Page
 * 4) 2001 Introduction of self-service ticket kiosks (06/07/2001): Self-Service Ticketing
 * 5) 2002 First offer of O'Hare/Midway service (connecting only) (04/07/2002): O'Hare & Midway Service
 * 6) 2003 9 buses in company-owned fleet (02/10/2003): Some Trivia...
 * 7) 2004 Illini shuttle "Beginning October 6" & first functional illinishuttle.com (09/24/2004): Illini Shuttle - O'Hare & Midway Schedules
 * 8) 2004 Illini shuttle "Now Up and Running" (10/16/2004): Illini Shuttle - O'Hare & Midway Schedules
 * 9) 2007 UIowa gets "Introductory" fares extended (2/9/2007): uiowaspring07.pdf
 * 10) 2010 First Free Wi-Fi claim (on 13 buses) (03/05/2010): Suburban Express (index UIUC)
 * 11) 2010 at least 13 buses in company-owned fleetbased on Wi-Fi claim (above)
 * 12) 2010 Service to Perdue "resumes" in August (08/20/2010) : Suburban Express (index UIUC)
 * 13) 2010 Wi-Fi fleet claimed +2 to 15 buses (09/19/2010): Suburban Express (index UIUC)
 * 14) 2010 at least 15 buses in company-owned fleetbased on Wi-Fi claim (above)
 * 15) 2011 Claims 55,000 passengers per year (7/16/2011): Some Trivia...
 * 16) 2012 "Now Serving Joliet" on Thursdays, Fridays & Sundays (02/09/2012): Suburban Express (index UIUC)

Can anyone who knows how to use Archive.org see if there's an "introductory" for other current schools? KevinCuddeback (talk) 16:06, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


 * BTW, the article is about the company, Suburban Express, and thus Suburban Express is the subject of the article. I believe you meant the founder or company head dude by whatever title he might go by.  If you agree, you might want to modify the title of this particular Talk page section.  Cheers.  N2e (talk) 22:03, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd say this talk section is correctly titled: It covers materials in which the subject of this article, Suburban Express, talks about itself as author/publisher of its own website (www.suburbanexpress.com).KevinCuddeback (talk) 03:43, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

107.77.209.56 (talk) 03:39, 19 August 2023 (UTC) IP added a paragraph, deleted by another IP, stating that content required to be removed from website by consent decree remains on website. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? The content is apparently personal information, but deleting IP states that it's not PII under IL law. I do not know how to approach this situation.


 * 107.77.209.56 (talk) 04:04, 19 August 2023 (UTC) added back part of edit made by 172.88.75.211. i think it's ok.

172.58.164.212 (talk) 02:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC) I saw this note "This section may be too long and excessively detailed. Please consider summarizing the material. (September 2019)" and decided to spend my evening reading sources and trying to make this article more concise and readable. As I put a considerable amount of work in, I ask that you talk with me here before making any substantial changes. Thanks and have a happy Easter.