Talk:Sucker punch

- Added NPOV tag as it shows from personal perspective. :) Nukey 11:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC) - Changed the NPOV wording. Nukey 11:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

what is "belies"?
i have never heard this word. what does it mean, or does it even exist?

belie tr.v., -lied, -ly·ing, -lies.

1. To give a false representation to; misrepresent: “He spoke roughly in order to belie his air of gentility” (James Joyce). 2. To show to be false; contradict: Their laughter belied their outward grief.

[Middle English bilien, from Old English belēogan, to deceive with lies.]

Source: The American Heritage Dictionaries, online.

138.253.76.30 19:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Long comment
I removed the comment " " since I didn't see the point of it. --Bensin 22:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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Pokémon sucker punch
Do we really need the description of the sucker punch pokémon attack in this article? If we're going to be describing pokémon attacks on Wikipedia, we should make a seperate article on all the attacks. Looneyman 19:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

What does "cold-cocked" mean?
(As in "when James Butler cold-cocked Richard Grant...") It's no more self-explanatory than "sucker punch." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.155.179.92 (talk) 06:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I came here to ask the exact same question. I looked it up and found it means "to knock unconscious", and it's slang, so I'll change it. Maybe the whole thing needs a rewrite, we don't really need to be told punching people unconscious is against the law when it's not part of a boxing match. 87.80.97.137 (talk) 07:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I have heard and read both the terms "Cold-Cock" and "Sucker Punch" throughout my entire life, in novels, comic books, and movies, but I have never encountered "Cold-Cock" and "Sucker Punch" used as synonyms. A Sucker Punch has always meant a sudden punch from surprise, usually from behind or the side, with the victim being the "sucker." To Cold-Cock someone, however, has always meant punching someone so hard that it knocked them straight unconscious in a single blow, as in "knocking them out cold." Thus I have no idea where "Cold-Cock" and "Sucker Punch" being synonyms comes from, or why it would be considered an American usage (seeing as how I am an American and have never heard the terms used this way.) Now, I suppose that someone could say, for example, "He was cold-cocked with a sucker punch" (meaning that the victim was knocked unconscious by a single blow from surprise) but that would be a special case scenario and not standard usage.

Overall, the list of synonyms just seems really weird to me, with the Australian media's apparent usage being especially bizarre. The media coverage of the so-called "one punch assaults" hardly conveys the surprise attack nature of these assaults. (Seriously, is Sucker Punch really that unfamiliar outside the US that they had to invent whole new terms like "Coward Punch" and "One-Punch Assault?" Sucker Punch is hardly an obscure term.)

Farewell, Randolph Carter, and beware - FOR I AM NYARLATHOTEP, THE CRAWLING CHAOS!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RyokoMocha (talk • contribs) 21:44, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

For what it’s worth, I’ve always heard “cold cock” used for something closer to a sucker punch, but also distinct from it. The difference was that while both involve a punch thrown outside of a mutual fight, a cold cock doesn’t involve distraction or blind siding. A cold cocker looks the person right in the eyes and then throws.

While a sucker punch is always shameful, a cold cock may not be so, depending how good your reason is PropDue77 (talk) 23:10, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Also, i understood the “cold” part to reference a punch thrown cold, or not while actively fighting. This is all anecdotally though, your’s is just as likely correct PropDue77 (talk) 23:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Ambiguity re...
"A sucker punch thrown outside of the rules of boxing is illegal." Aargh. I suppose I could look all of this up and fix it, but what does this sentence mean exactly? Is there such a thing as a sucker punch thrown "inside" the rules of boxing, i.e. in boxing, is a sucker punch only illegal, or can one be delivered legally also? (And if so, under what conditions?)

Maybe this sentence should read, "In boxing, the sucker punch is illegal." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.155.179.92 (talk) 23:05, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ever seen Million Dollar Baby where Hillary Swank gets punched while she's not looking? The other woman she's fighting punches her in the side of the head, off guard. As a result, Hillary falls to the ground, hits her neck on a stool and is paralyzed for life. I don't think sucker punches are illegal while the round is in progress (Can you imagine? "Hey, watch out, I'm going to punch you! Here it comes!" lawl.) but is illegal between rounds or when the fighters are forbidden from hitting each other. Should go without saying, but clarification is good :B Grayda (talk) 23:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I have never seen a sucker punch or king hit to the groin or kidneys. if you were to say you king hit someone in the groin it just means that your a pussy who can't fight. 110.32.184.207 (talk) 03:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

In point of fact, a surprise attack to the groin is very effective, and would indicate that someone CAN fight. Whether or not someone approves of it as 'fair' isn't relevant. If someone gets into your personal space and blocks your retreat, they deserve what they get. On the other hand, if you're volunteering for a street fight instead of being forced into one, you're an idiot.

KO?
does a "snooki punch" and "k.o." belong here as well? and re illegal outside of boxing, isn't just about everything in boxing illegal outside of it and becomes assault, aggravated assault etc? 110.33.247.71 (talk) 02:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

One hit punch and king hit.
I submit that all punches are one hit punches. It is impossible to two-hit punch unless you are Bruce Lee, or equally a ninja master. Further, king hit's inclusion is a bit of a contentious issue. Not for the reason existing editors thing. The media, especially in Australia, like to make the news instead of reporting the news. They've decided that 'king hit' including the word 'king' might glorify the action and 'coward punch' sounds more negatively in intonation. I would argue that coward punch most probably never existed prior to this attempt by the media to invent new words, as they invented 'leadership spill' to replace the word 'coup d'etat' when the Australian government had a coup. I argue that it's inclusion is erroneous. Further, king hit is a hit occasioning a knock out with one blow. It doesn't inherently mean 'from behind.' This should be stipulated that the Australian slang version has adapted to include sucker punches. So in brief, the article appears to be up to speed, but the content is heavily misguided by media misappropriation of 'making the news not reporting the news' where the media intentionally set out to manipulate information, as the Society of Professional Journalists did to clean up the image of religious nuts in Diversity Guidelines for Countering Racial, Ethnic and Religious Profiling https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sucker_punch&action=edit&section=new and other such endeavors. I believe that Wikipedia should focus on encyclopedic quality, not journalistic quality articles, as the latters bar is far, far too low when it comes to integrity, honesty, and facts. 121.211.56.55 (talk) 00:09, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Move non-fighting items to disambiguation page
The drink really doesn't belong on this page as it's not a fighting technique. The Sigrid's song is already listed on the disambiguation page; — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Kealey (talk • contribs) 15:08, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

79.107.123.126 (talk) 15:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)