Talk:Sudirman

Confusion over the date of installation as army commander
I looked at different sources and they reported different date : Kompas:18 december 1945, tokohindonesia.com:2 nov 1945, gimonca.com:15 dec. Can anyone confirm which one is true?. My opinion 18 dec is true because 12-15 december sudirman led Banyumas-regiment in battle of ambarawa. Peace. --Nielswik(talk) 10:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 11 Nov. I will post sources soon. Merbabu 11:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And please also post why it is more reliable than three sources above, please. Peace. --Nielswik(talk) 11:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Sources on Sudirman - most specify a Division Commanders meeting in Yogya in Nov, but one mentions a Dec 12 meeting - no locatio specified.

"11 Nov"

 * "Indonesian Destinies" - Theodore Friend p35

"12 Nov"

 * "Indonesian National Revolution" - Anthony Reid. p78
 * "Gangsters and Revolutionaries: The jakarta People's Militia and the Indoensian Revolution" - Robert Cribb.

just "Nov"

 * "A History of Modern Indonesia" - Ricklefs, 'elected supreme commander ' p222

18 Dec
Merbabu 11:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "A History of Modern Indonesia" Adrain Vickers - p105 - elected "General"


 * Does anybody have Salim Said, "Genesis of Power: General Sudirman and the Indonesian military in politics, 1945-49", ISBN 9813035897 ? I think it is a good source for his biography. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 12:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations for posting as a Featured Article
Congratulations, especially to Crisco, for the excellent work on this article. My own feeling that it would still be good to trim back the introduction somewhat so that the lede is crisp and the "List of Contents" appears high on the page. I also tend to prefer shorter paragraphs rather than longer ones although this, I agree, is a matter of opinion. But it's great to get Pak Dirman up as a Featured Page!! Pantang mundur!! Pmccawley (talk) 01:12, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Right now the lede is of comparable length to that in Douglas MacArthur, but I would like to try and trim another 300 characters if possible. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:25, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thank you. I understand the comparison with the entry for Douglas MacArthur and that's a fair benchmark, I agree. It's a matter of taste. I'd still like to see the lede shorter but it's a matter of taste (for me, MacArthur is too long too). But I want to note that your effort on the Sudirman page is marvellous. Very few Indonesian entries become a Featured Page. All of us who do work on Indonesia pages will be very encouraged to see this.  —  Pmccawley (talk) 01:40, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Once in a while I get bored of doing film articles and try to take more significant things to GA and FA... Amir Hamzah turned out nicely, and I think I have enough material to get Slamet Rijadi through FA once I actually write it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:43, 25 January 2014 (UTC)