Talk:Suharto/Archives/2005/December

The Year(s) of Living Dangerously?
I wonder if it's better to make a separate page just to cover the events of 1965-1967, which can then be linked from both the Suharto page and the History of Indonesia page. That way we can avoid redundancy and streamline the material. Covering only Suharto's role is unfair and unbalanced because it does not take into account the various competing factions and their interests, all of which were present at the time. Unfortunately I do not have much in terms of published material on this topic, but I'd like to help out. Julius.kusuma 14:41, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Check this page Indonesian Civil War - though I've never heard it called that before. I thought it was a coup, not a civil war, but I'll leave that to the historians. --Singkong2005 11:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Indonesian Civil War Section
This section has some grammar & readability problems as well as neutral point of view issues. Unfortunately I do not know enough about the material to contribute properly, but statements such as this paragraph:

"Gerakan 30 September, commonly abbreviated as G30S or Gestapu. Some sources believe that the name Gestapu, Gerakan 'September 30' was CIA-given as its word order was more English rather than Indonesian. Indonesian would commonly said '30 September', not 'September 30'. The acronym Gestapu was to make it sounded notorious, identical with Gestapo)."

Do not seem to be verifiable. I have marked the section with a NPOV tag and the article with a cleanup tag to bring appropriate resources to bear on the article. Gblaz 21:51, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I believe I've cleaned up the POV and grammar issues. A note on Gestapu: it is pretty common knowledge among the Indonesians that it was a term used by Suhartoists to deride G30S and the PKI, and not something of their own invention (and in addition, it is common sense: why would a communist group name themselves after the Gestapo, who made a specialty of killing communists?) What Suharto's motives or inspirations were for using the term are unknown but to the man himself; nevertheless, it is important to provide proper attribution.--Daniel 01:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Peer Review for Suharto
I've put in a request for Wikipedia:Peer Review for Suharto that can be seen here: Peer_review/Suharto. I believe it would be good for getting some perspective outside of myself and others who have frequently edited this article. And it's the first step to getting the entry made a Featured Article on English Wikipedia.

Please feel free spread the word on related Talk Pages. Your help is greatly appreciated. --Daniel 04:58, 30 December 2005 (UTC)