Talk:Suite bergamasque

Jonesville05 (talk) 14:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Spelling
Actually the name is spelled CLAIRE de lune with a silent E at the end of Claire — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.233.110.65 (talk) 22:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. Ajcounter 13:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "le clair", derived from the adjective "clair", is masculine, so no there is no "e". In French, whenever you make a noun out of an adjective, it is masculine, the dominant gender in romance languages.--89.14.98.224 (talk) 22:10, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Capital B
So is it "Suite bergamasque" or "Suite Bergamasque" (B not capital and B capital)? Misterdan 18:42, 03 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It should be lower case. I've fixed it now.  --  JackofOz 08:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Wish you were based on de Lune
The validity of "When You Wish upon a Star" being based on "Clair de Lune" has been challenged on the |"When You Wish upon a Star" talk page. I will add the "fact" template to the line mentioning that on this page. Bender2k14 (talk) 05:36, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Name "bergamasque"
Quote from lede: ''It was likely named after Paul Verlaine's poem "Clair de lune", which possibly alludes to a bergamask. It is also commonly believed that the Suite Bergamasque is derived from Fêtes Gallantes, a poem by Paul Verlaine.''

Issues:
 * It can't possibly be "named after" a poem called Clair de lune. That would make the name of the whole suite Clair de lune, or something using the words "Clair" or "lune". The 3rd section "Clair de lune" may well be named after Verlaine's poem, but not the whole suite.
 * If Verlaine's poem only "possibly" alludes to a bergamask, then the connection is extremely tenuous. If the word "bergamask" does not appear in the poem, then how can any connection to "Suite bergamasque" be adduced?
 * "... derived from Fêtes Gallantes" - how can a musical work be derived from a literary work? Or are we talking about the title of the work, Suite bergamasque, rather than the work itself?

This all needs a good rethink and a rewrite, with sources, please. -- JackofOz (talk) 21:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Use in film
The following section was removed from the article in October 2008. I am sympathetic to not having such references overtake the article, but I think it is an error to exclude them altogether. Perhaps some middle ground can be reached to allow the inclusion of the most significant uses, in some condensed form? Cheers! bd2412 T 23:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Use in film
Walt Disney had planned to use "Clair de lune" for a segment of the 1940 film Fantasia, but the sequence was deleted from the film at 70% completion because of Fantasia's excessive length. The animated "Clair de lune" sequence, which illustrates the flow of the music with the movements of egrets, was later restored from a workprint in 1996 and included on a 2000 Fantasia DVD box set. The song When You Wish Upon a Star, from the 1940 Walt Disney film Pinocchio, borrows liberally from "Clair de lune".

Terrence McNally's play and film Frankie and Johnny in the Clair de Lune uses "Clair de lune" both in the title and as a key plot element.

In Federico Fellini's 1983 imaginative fable E la nave va (And the Ship Sails On) "Clair de lune" is played in many scenes.

Nick Nolte's character plays a portion of "Clair de lune" at a piano in the Paul Mazursky film Down and Out in Beverly Hills while boasting to Jenny Whiteman that he "...opened with this piece back when [he] toured the concert circuit..."

In the film Seven Years in Tibet, starring Brad Pitt, the Dalai Lama had a music box which plays "Clair de lune".

"Clair de lune" is used in David Fincher's The Game in the restaurant scene and contains a hint to Christine's real name.

In an episode of The Pretender entitled Meltdown, "Claire de Lune" was played on the piano by the television series main character, Jarod, as he was feigning insanity.

"Clair de lune" is used in the film Pleasantville.

"Clair de lune" is featured in various episodes of Ren and Stimpy.

"Clair de lune" can also be heard in Season 1, Episode 8, "Michelle", of British dramedy, Skins, as being played on harp by a patient in the asylum that Sid and Michelle are at while visiting Cassie

An orchestral arrangement of "Clair de lune" by Lucien Cailliet is featured in the concluding part of the 2001 film Ocean's Eleven, presented as part of the Bellagio Resort's fountain show. The song remains a part of the show's musical rotation. Also, a solo piano arrangement can be heard, albeit extremely quietly, in the background of the scene where the characters meet for the first time in Reuben's backyard. In its second sequel, Ocean's Thirteen, a slight echo of Isao Tomita's electronic version of "Clair de lune" is heard when the characters Danny and Rusty meet again in front of the Bellagio and in the scene where Reuben is reading the get-well-letters.

A solo piano arrangement is used on the soundtrack of Man on Fire. It is also used in the scene where Denzel Washington's character John Creasy leaves the place that he is recovering with Christopher Walken.

Another orchestral arrangement is found in the 1983 film The Right Stuff, during an apocryphal scene set in the early 1960s in which exotic dancer Sally Rand performs a flower dance in honor of the Mercury Seven astronauts during a Texas barbecue hosted by then-Vice President Lyndon Johnson.

Different portions of Suite bergamasque are used in the Japanese film All About Lily Chou-Chou.

Also portions of Suite bergamasque have been found in a Japanese drama by the name of Orange Days.

In 2005, "Clair de lune" has been used in a Chanel No. 5 commercial starring Nicole Kidman, as well as an NFL Network commercial starring Chad Johnson.

"Clair de lune" was also used in the 1945 film Without Love starring Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn.

"Clair de lune" is also mentioned in Stephenie Meyer's first novel, Twilight, and appeared in the movie which was released on November 21, 2008. It was played when Bella visits Edward in his house for the first time. When Bella presses play on Edward’s sound system, ‘Clair de lune’ starts playing

"Clair de lune" was used in two episodes in the first season of Nip/Tuck. In the "Cara Fitzgerald" episode, Sean plays it while he does the breast reconstruction surgery of Megan O'Hara. In the "Adella Coffin" episode, it is played in the background of the restaurant Sean and Megan are eating at, and Megan says how she used to play the piece all the time.

"Clair de lune" features in The Simpsons episodes "A Star Is Born-Again", "He Loves to Fly and He D'ohs", "Hardly Kirk-ing" and "Left Behind".

"Clair de lune" is used in three of Diane Eskenazi's 1993 Golden Films animated productions: As Haseem, Aladdin and his mother dine together in Aladdin (1993); In the cozy opening at Gepetto's toy shop in Pinocchio (1993) and as the old gentleman rides home in the rain in Beauty and the Beast (1993).

"Clair de lune" appears in Atonement after 18 year old Briony, who has become a nurse, speaks to a dying patient in a hospital in the midst of World War II. Before dying the patient had remembered a girl who always played a Debussy piece.

"Clair de lune" appears in the English horror film Dog Soldiers. After a failed attempt to escape the farm house in a Land Rover and Bruce is killed by the werewolves Megan sits by the piano and starts playing off the sheet music which is Debussy's "Clair de lune".

"Clair de lune" may also be heard in the 1956 movie Giant during the scene where Uncle Bawley is playing the organ in the Benedict living room while Leslie Benedict (Elizabeth Taylor) waxes nostalgic.

"Clair de lune" is also played in Japanese romance Majo no Jouken (Forbidden Love) in the final episode in the Hirose's household by Michi's mother Motoko.

In Wes Anderson's The Darjeeling Limited "Clair de lune" is featured after Peter, Jack, and Francis are kicked off their train. While sitting with their luggage in the desert Jack plays "Clair de lune" on his iPod as the three brothers proceed to get high.

"Clair de lune" is used in the James Bond movie Casino Royale in the scene where Bond is at the rehabilitation center in Italy.

"Clair de Lune" can briefly be heard in the background at a birthday party in the first episode of the Maria-sama ga Miteru OVA series. An edited version of the piece also appears on the series' OST.

In other media
The beginning of the section 4: Passepied is used at the sixth stage of the Game Boy game Castlevania II: Belmont's Revenge.

"Clair de lune" was one of the MIDI sequence RMI files included in Windows 95 and Windows 98.

"Clair de lune" serves as the introduction to the song "Ballerina" on the 1976 album Crystal Ball by Styx.

On page 104 of Stephanie Meyer's book Twilight, Bella and Edward are in Edward's Volvo when "Clair de lune" plays on the car stereo. Bella comments, "'Clair de Lune?'" to which Edward responds,"'You know Debussy?'" Song was also utilized in the film (see above).

In the 1944 Broadway musical On the Town (music by Leonard Bernstein, book & lyrics by Betty Comden & Adolph Green), one of the main characters, an anthropologist, is named Claire DeLoone. In the original production, this character was portrayed by Comden herself.


 * All of the above is clearly irrelevant to the article and none of it belongs in the article, but consider the reason "Clair de lune" has been used or referred to so much in "film" and "other media". Obviously, it's because the piece is extremely popular and famous, as the other pieces in the suite are not. The problem with the article as it currently stands is NOT that the above uses in "films" and "other media" aren't listed; the problem is that the article has nothing in it to demonstrate (or even intimate or suggest) how much more popular and famous "Clair de lune" is than the rest of the suite. TheScotch (talk) 08:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

"Clair de lune" is featured in the 2017 video-game "Dangaronpa V3: Killing Harmony" developed by Spike Chunsoft Co., ltd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.224.184.214 (talk) 03:30, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Clair de lune
So all other 3 movements are named after the form/type of the music. What type is "Clair de Lune"?--89.14.98.224 (talk) 22:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * A minuet is a dance (not a "type" or a form), and so is a passepied. A suite is a set of dances. A prelude is not a dance, but, nevertheless, traditionally a suite does often begin with a prelude. Many of Bach's suites, for example, begin with preludes. "Clair de lune", on the other hand, is a character piece and does seem a bit anomalous--as if maybe it had been written separately and inserted into the suite as an afterthought. TheScotch (talk) 09:10, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

More music
I suggest to include the file at right.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Prelude
This section includes an odd claim: "...holds much of the baroque style that is commonly found in preludes." Apart from the unidiomatic use of "hold", what is this trying to say? I think immediately of the preludes by Chopin or Scriabin, and see no evidence of "baroque style". Imaginatorium (talk) 08:51, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree; I'll remove this statement. Noahfgodard (talk) 23:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Passepied other notable interpretation
Beside Punchbrothers, Passepied has been arranged into a Moog Synthesizer by Isao Tomita, in his album "Snowflakes Are Dancing". Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflakes_Are_Dancing#Side_B Can this entry be acceptable to be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.176.151.222 (talk) 23:34, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If you can find a reliable source to support it, I'd say be bold and add it. Noahfgodard (talk) 23:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Category:Piano?
Why is the article "Suite bergamasque" in Category:Piano, which is very general? Χιονάκι (talk) 20:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)