Talk:Suki

Suki "brand"
SUKI (tm) is the brand name of a major international religion with over 500k members worldwide.


 * SUKI (tm) is verifiable. Check its website at www.SUKIreligion.org (tm).  A course in religious studies at your local university, community college, or even secondary school might be helpful.
 * It is not helpful to the Wikipedia community to insinuate that something is not true unless you have solid evidence to prove such. A mere description of SUKI (tm) is not protected under copyright laws.
 * SUKI (tm) is not any more 'made up' than, for example, the Catholic Church, or heaven forbid, the Church of Scientology. Considering that there are over 2 billion people in Asia, and less than a million SUKI (tm) members worldwide, the odds are close to at least 6000:1 (if not worse) that a person is not a SUKI (tm) member.

Burden of proof
The burden of proof is on you, not me. It takes verifiable references to show that something should go in an encyclopedia. I assume that the reason you're not providing them is that they do not exist. Courses in religious studies don't teach things without references either, by the way.

Your organization's own web site is, of course, not a reliable reference; it is unlikely to give an objective view of how many actual followers this religion has. In fact, it calls it "the most popular religion in the world", which gives me an even lower opinion of its factual accuracy. You can tell me all you want that it has 500,000 members, and I will tell you that it has one; the lack of references indicates that my guess is probably closer.

I mentioned the thing about copyright because you used it above as your excuse for why googling "suki religion" shows no relevant results. If talking about SUKI is allowed, why have the supposed other 500,000 members produced not a single sentence about it except on Urban Dictionary (another freely-editable site) and a web page with no incoming links to it?

RSpeer June 29, 2005 04:04 (UTC)

Disappointed
I am disappointed by the Wikepedia editors' stance toward the proper inclusion of the SUKI (tm) religion to the Suki disambiguity page.

I am truly at a loss. This is no hoax. SUKI (tm), the New World Religion (tm), and lifestyle, are an Asian phenomenon which is making its way into the U.S. Has the foolish editor who insists on removing good information from the Wiki (see above) ever realized that more than one person has attempted to add SUKI (tm) to the Wiki? I am one of seven SUKI (tm) lifestyle practicioners, VIP level, in the Central Florida area. There are others spread out in the U.S. and our numbers are steadily growing, but SUKI (tm) is a gift from Asia.

After attempting to add SUKI (tm) several times to the Article page (see above) I was given warnings to stop, and that I was vandalizing the Wiki! This is insane! What is the point of Wiki if editors decide that valid info cannot be included? It is maddening. Bratsche was the one who warned me, but others will no doubt, over time, decide to include information about SUKI (tm) into the Wiki.

Editors, here's your chance. Explain, conclusively, how you've come to the erroneous opinion that SUKI (tm) is a hoax. Or, allow us to start adding this information to the Wiki so that SUKI (tm) may be furthered in the U.S. Thank you and please stop threatening me for attempting to contribute to the Wiki.

Unsigned post by: 65.33.64.211

Thank you
Thank you for your reasonable attitude. It is greatly appreciated. I will answer your points below:


 * I am not pitz or sukiguy. I do not know who this is.  I have only recently found this page (yesterday) and have attempted to make some small modifications.  I did not make the initial entries onto the Wiki.  I do not have a problem getting a username and will look into doing so, but please understand I am not the person you've already had conversations with.


 * I understand your point about other religions. Please also understand that SUKI (tm) is not just a religion, it can also be a lifestyle - so grouping it with religions like Islam or Scientology as the 'top level' association may not be appropriate.  I understand your desire to validate SUKI (tm) with web references, but in this somewhat unique instance there will truly be very little found on the web about SUKI (tm) because it is so new to the U.S.  Only a very small number of SUKI (tm) practicioners use the internet, for reasons which may become apparent in the course of settling this issue.


 * Regarding the Request for Comment - this is a procedure I am unfamiliar with at this time but the fact that others agreed that SUKI (tm) should be removed is really the crux of the matter.  This is dissatisfying to SUKI (tm) members.  Thank you for working with us to resolve these issues.


 * I, personally, have not been asked any questions about SUKI (tm) - perhaps these questions were directed at the first SUKI (tm) practicioner who edited this page. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have about SUKI (tm).


 * I apologize for any perceived slights that the editors and any other members of the Wiki community may have perceived from my comments. They were made in frustration and I will not make them again.


 * I am not yet familiar with arbitration, but if doing so will get SUKI (tm) the proper entry it deserves in the Wikipedia, I am all for it.

Thank you, CMouse.

SUKI (tm) is NOT FAKE!
SUKI (tm), MAJOR INTERNATIONAL RELIGION, The New World Religion (tm), has been recognized by religious authorities worldwide as being a world religion.

The internet would not allow the www.SUKIreligion.org (tm) website to be registered under the .org domain name if SUKI (tm) wasn't a religion. As soon as .RELIGION comes out, SUKI (tm) will be obtaining registration under that domain name.

1 million people worldwide...can't be wrong. Calling SUKI (tm) "fake" is to promote blasphemy.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.110.251.69 (talk • contribs)

SUKI (tm) has no affiliation with troll sites
It has come to the attention of some members of SUKI (tm), The New World Religion (tm), that GNAA, an internet troll group, is attempting to claim an affiliation with SUKI (tm). Nothing could be further from the truth. The New World Religion (tm) does not have affiliations with other organizations, religious or otherwise, and is an autonomous major international religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.110.251.69 (talk • contribs)

Only logical conclusion: Wiki editors are biased against SUKI(tm)
Very interesting. I did not realize that by clicking the history tab (above) one could see many edits by Wiki editors, edits which removed important contributions to this discussion page. I read them with interest on this day.

SUKI(tm) is clearly a multinational concern. Mexican contributions! Do the Wiki editors truly expect us to believe that their position (it's a widespread hoax!!) is in any way tenable? It has become quite obvious that Wiki editors and, in fact, Wikipedia as a whole, have lost all credibility.

The only way to restore that credibility is to STOP the fascist censorship acts and allow the information to be added to the Wiki! However I believe that there is very little reason to hold out hope for this! All SUKI(tm) believers, I urge you to bombard the Wiki editors with SUKI(tm) information and your love for SUKI(tm) until we get our beloved religion added to this index.

Hola from Santiago in Dominican Republic
Hola, I (Melberis J.) from the beautiful city of Santiago in Dominican Republic am local SUKI(tm) coordinator for area. We now have 90 followers and growing. Please visit our kiosk in Hodelpa Gran Almirante and pick up a promotion flier we will love to see you soon. Call [Removed personal info] Gracias

Tegucigalpa, Honduras
have been asked to add my comment here by regional SUKI(tm) coordinator. we have selected wikipedia to carry SUKI(tm) message and contain information about our religion. if you don't have a friend who practices SUKI(tm) you will soon. you might have one now but not know so ask. SUKI(tm), add it to the wiki