Talk:Sully, Vale of Glamorgan

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 * Village guide - this link was removed because it's just a Wikipedia mirror, but let's keep an eye on it in case it expands. Vashti 17:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Village History
Come on Sully wikipedians....the village has existed for hundreds of years, there must be more history than this if you do some digging in local books, library, parish council archives. Any famous people born or lived there? Any archeological finds? Shipwrecks or lifeboat rescues? What about the history of the chemical plant (Wolf Plant?), the Plastics Club on the corner of Swanbridge Lane?....also how about a bus timetable or even bus provider contacts... 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 00:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm a little bit concerned about some of the material you've added. This is an encyclopaedia, not a visitor's guide (although you could try Wikitravel if you want that kind of thing).  We don't need to know where the post office is, or who the headmistress of the school is, and frankly this tendency for bodging loads of bus timetable information into location pages is worrying as well.  I agree this pages needs expansion, but it needs to be properly sourced historical information and not trivia. Vashti (talk) 00:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That is easily fixed Vashti. I lifted the school paragraph off the school's website, but have pared it down now. I agree this is an encyclopaedia, but what is an encyclopaedia exactly, could any two people agree on a definition? and when is it going to be used? Most likely by someone who has not visited the area and knows nothing....or a local seeking deeper knowledge. It is difficult to gauge the browsers needs and surely it is better to err on side of giving too much information as long as it is correct and a neutral POV...let the reader pick the bones out of it and discard what they don't want. Anyway, can you help with any local study on village history, its a bit difficult for me, being 250 miles away....if it isn't on the internet thats me stymied?....do you do historical, nose in document stuff, or are you a cyberwarrior only?....or do you just edit others efforts? Peace21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 05:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Please don't "lift" material from other websites to include here, unless those pages are GFDL licenced. Is that the case for the Sully School website?


 * As to "what is an encyclopaedia", What Wikipedia is not is the relevant policy here. You'll see that it states "Wikipedia is not a manual, textbook or guidebook: ... An article on Paris should mention landmarks such as the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre, but not the telephone number or street address of your favorite hotel or the price of a café au lait on the Champs-Élysées. Wikipedia is not a place to re-create content more suited to entries in hotel guides, culinary guides, travelogues, and the like."


 * I myself no longer live in Sully (though my family have lived there for nearly a century), and I rarely have the time to write article text. I try to act as a WikiGnome, cleaning up content and helping others to improve their own contributions.  I should add that I was impressed with most of the material you've added - it's just the directory material that I'd urge you to avoid. Vashti (talk) 22:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Sully Hospital
Nice to see some more material being added. I'm a bit disturbed, however, to find that much of it appears to be a copyvio from this page - some rewriting is urgently called for.

I'm also startled to learn that the hospital was closed down in 2000, as I was treated there in 2001 when there were still patients on wards! What's the source for this date? Vashti (talk) 01:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The source for the close date was at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_east/3012482.stm an article dated 2003 that referred to the hospital having been closed for three years which made it 2000. Additionally I found a Glamorgan Hospitals Trust PDF where I picked up the info about the King opening it, detailed various change over dates for the various administrations/trusts and the shift to psychiatric speciality and it gave a closing date of 2000, but oddly I cannot find that PDF now despite using the same search - erm are you sure you were in there in 2001??? LOL. I didn't do that other rewrite with the building details and hadn't spotted it was a straight lift, but I will do a rewording in the next week or so and pretty it up a bit. On the hunt for pictures at present, there are few at Geograph with Commons licences, but they are not very inspiring 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 02:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I was definitely there in 2001, as I was living in London and Finland in 2000, Sully in 2001 and London again by the end of 2001. :) Of course WP:V, but I'll keep an eye out for more sources.


 * I'm sure to be in Sully again before the end of the year; I'll try and remember to take some photographs. Of course I don't know how accessible the hospital building is now it's all been turned into uber-flats. Vashti (talk) 21:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I think I am just about done now. I cannot find anything further on Sully on the Internet and have exhausted any references. But on the whole I am happier that Sully is properly represented. The entry is somewhat of an improvement on the single sentence entry that existed before I started with this. If you can dig anything up during your next visit let me know. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 11:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

References and clean up needed
I added a section about the dispute over the village's Welsh name translation and the forthcoming referendum. I added links to two news stories about this. Whilst doing so I noticed that there are no references to any other parts of the the text. It would be a good time to flag it for a clean up. I don't know (or have privileges) to do this but I'll try a bit of editing and look for some refrences.--Thegiantrodent (talk) 18:56, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Welsh Name and Wikipedia
I note that an anonymous editor has changed the Welsh name of Sully from Sili to Abersili, yet has provided no reference for this. I am aware of the nature of feeling about the Welsh name, but Wikipedia should only be concerned with recording encyclopedic content. As such there are several references for Sili but none for Abersili. In a referendum in the village a majority of those who voted expressed a preference for Abersili as a name. See http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2011/02/15/change-sili-welsh-name-say-residents-91466-28171288/ Yet this remains un-ratified. And from what I gather, the dispute continues as many residents of Sully are not happy with Abersili and wish to have just Sully and no Welsh translation (as residents of Monmouth's Rockfield gained). So it is my intention to revert it to Sili and reference it.Thoughts please? --Thegiantrodent (talk) 21:25, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As always in wikipedia the important thing is NOT what is true or what we would like it to be ... it is what the references confirm. Go for it. 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 21:29, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I've now reverted this entry to the official Welsh translation, and given a reference to the dispute over the name from and article in the South Wales Echo. The discussion on the Welsh translation is continuing and is arousing quite a bit of debate. Whether the name Abersili will be officially adopted or there will be no official Welsh translation of Sully remains to be decided. In the meantime the only verifiable name is Sili.Thegiantrodent (talk) 12:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * *mumble* As a Welsh-speaker from Sully, I can't help feeling that this whole debate is .. well, silly. But this isn't a forum, so I'll just mutter to myself. Vashti (talk) 14:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha! no-one spotted my editing mistake. I should have put a "Y" before Sili. Sili me :o)Thegiantrodent (talk) 19:26, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have rewritten the section to include new academic discussions of Sully/Sili. Troellwr (talk) 15:34, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Malcolm Davies (rugby league)
This webpege about Sully states that 'the current mayor is Mr Malcolm Davies ex-Policmen and Welsh Rugby International', and the Sully, Vale of Glamorgan article states 'Sully is represented by a community council which is chaired by Mr. Malcolm Davies.' There doesn't appear to be a rugby union international called Malcolm Davies, but there was a Welsh rugby league international; Malcolm Davies (rugby league), are these the same Malcolm Davies? If so, the Sully, Vale of Glamorgan article out of date as Malcolm Davies (rugby league) died circa-February 2011. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 11:56, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It appears that they are indeed the same person. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:39, 31 January 2013 (UTC)