Talk:Summer/Archive 1

Iceland and midnight sun
On maps, Iceland seems to barely (if at all) touch the polar circle, from the south. Why is it a good example of a location with midnight sun? High mountains could be a possible explanation, but IMHO N Norway would be a better example of a populated region with midnight sun. JöG 11:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

It is also called the season of the midnight sun near the North Pole; in Iceland for instance.

Eastern Ontario
Hello? In Eastern Ontario in Canada (the region surrounding the city of Ottawa), Summer typically lasts from the end of May to the end of October. --216.106.101.203 14:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Midsummer Day
f This article mistakenly suggests William Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream occurs on the Summer Solstice. In fact, it occurs on Midsummer Night - hence the title - which is June 23rd, Midsummer Day being 24th June, and nothing to do with the Solstice.

Discussion
The summer solctise is a big part in the summer. there are usually alot of festivals to honour this occasion which has religious meanings in some cultures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.24.216 (talk) 23:01, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Coming this summer
A lot of pages say that a tv show, a movie, troops will be withdrawn, the price of gas will go up; this summer. What summer? Summer began many weeks ago in Australia. Do they mean the North American summer? In any case, I thought it would be a good idea to link the word "summer" in these contexts to a section of this web page that discusses when American summer starts and ends. But there is no clear section on this page. Now I KNOW wikipedia is America's encyclopedia and that all readers of this web site should just accept that it is written by Americans for Americans, but it would still be sort of cool if there was a page that defined when "coming this summer" on American adverts and press releases could properly be defined. I see it everywhere, movie posters, videogame posters, announcements, EVERYWHERE... and it sort of annoys me that me and the rest of the world have to try and guess exactly when North Americas summer is exactly. JayKeaton 16:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Better idea: Don't use "summer" terminology on wikipedia for anything but weather. It is supposed to be a worldwide site, and summer is not the same worldwide. 71.212.27.154 04:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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Ireland (and some points on the lead)
There is a falicy perpetuated that 1st May is the start of summer in Ireland. This emanates from the old ancient pagan festival of Bealtaine, which over the centuries has ended up as May as various calendars were merged, Celtic and Gregorian ones, etc. IF the standard definition of summer is the 3 warmest months of the year, then typically and meteorogically, the months of June, July and August are the summer months in Ireland, although its also arguable that July, August and Sept, as June and Sept are very close - but due to daylight changes and some propensities to have storms occurring in Sept, although they can occur any time of the year, the main summer months are June, July and August. Most secondary school students have these three months off for their summer holidays.

One problem in Ireland is that it is a perennial debate. Currently, young Children in primary schools are still being taught that May is the start of the summer according to the curriculum, yet clearly meteorogically it cant be. The Government Department of Education could do with some self-education on this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.227.223 (talk) 15:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no fallacy and it's nothing much to do with weather (it's always raining anyway). In Ireland, by tradition, the middle of summer falls (more or less) near the longest day of the day. And the middle of winter, near the shortest day of the year. The Irish name for September means literally "middle Autumn" and the Irish name for October, "the end of Autumn". Now we could hardly have Summer ending in the middle of Autumn, could we? Similarly Halloween is when our ancestors celebrated the end of the harvest (31 October). Other countries used to / still use the same dates. Hence the Chinese and Shakespearian England considered the summer solstice to be the middle of summer.


 * In my memory the lead used to be less Anglo-centric. Its definition of the start and end of Summer seems rather absolute and contradict the rest of the article. — Blue-Haired Lawyer 00:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

southern hemisphere dates
'In the Southern Hemisphere, summer begins around December 21 and ends around March 21' -

Not in Australia, here summer is all of December January and February. Anyone from another (temperate) southern hemisphere country want to commment? Chile? Argentina? mathew 00:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

It's just June 1st as I type this and my local newspaper, an airport parking service is already advertising for summer. Also, a newscast mentioned before the break that water restrictions would be enforced until the end of the summer, and mentioned after the break that the summer water watering restrictions begins today, which mean that summer would begin 50 days before a typical American calendar mentions "summer begins" and 21 days before the "first day of fall." In addition, the long hyped up summer blockbuster season (formerly mentioned in this article) begins this Friday, May 5th. Boston.com on the link http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/04/30/festival_season_is_upon_us/ lists "SUMMER EVENTS IN BOSTON" starting on May 10th, well before true summer weather arrives in Boston. This link http://www.richmond.com/ae/output.aspx?Article_ID=4227740&Vertical_ID=3&tier=2&position=3 tells us that tourism officials who want to boost attendance want to push the summer season forward. There is a trend for summer to culturally begin on May 1st and end on August 31st in the United States or sometimes even a little earlier, replacing Memorial Day as the cultural change in seasons. Just type "summer is here" on a Google news search in May and you'll know what I mean.

Gnomon says:

This article on summer is hopelessly confused at the start. I haven't time to sort it out at the moment. It talks about "astronomical" summer as being defined as starting on the solstice and the meteorogical summer lagging behind this by 3 weeks although the dates it gives are in front of, not behind.

There's really no such thing as "Astronomical summer" but for this to make any sort of sense, it would be the three months centred around the solstice. The "meteorogical lag" phenomenon would then make sense, coming behind this by a few weeks. It's interesting to note that the lag effect is less in coastal regions than in continental regions, so the seasons start earlier in places like Ireland than they do in continental USA.
 * There's really no such thing as "Astronomical summer" but for this to make any sort of sense, it would be the three months centred around the solstice. That's the way it's done in Jieqi (solar term), and according to an external link on the season page: —Last Avenue [ talk | contributions ] 23:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It's interesting to note that the lag effect is less in coastal regions than in continental regions, so the seasons start earlier in places like Ireland than they do in continental USA.

This statement is misleading and from a scientific standpoint entirely incorrect. But since I cannot discern the actual context of the statement within the article(are we talking about meteorological summer, regional definitions of summer?), I did not edit the article. Instead, I hope someone (maybe the original authors) will read what I wrote below and with that in mind revise the article appropriately.

The meteorological summer is simply defined as the warmest 3 months of the year (3 so as to make all seasons equal length). Using this definition of summer, the start of each season in coastal areas that lie to the east of oceans actually begins later (sometimes much later) than over continental regions. This is due to the high heat capacity of water, which responds much more slowly to radiative changes such as decreasing daylength than land does. The west coast of the US, for instance, experiences its warmest temperatures in late August and sometimes well into September, while the rest of the continental US begins to cool quite rapidly.

Now, no one can argue against regional definitions for the seasons. There are many other factors that go into determining what summer means to a certain group of people, but it is meaningless to assign a scientific term such as "lag effect" to describe differences amongst these definitions. I do not doubt the Irish have a good reason for designating May 1 as the start of Summer, but the fact remains that Dublin in May is actually a degree colder on average than during October.

-dba-207.206.150.142 04:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with dba that the article posted at http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/161/is-it-true-summer-in-ireland-starts-may-1 is illogical. It refers to "seasonal lag" invoking a latency in weather, so should really be calling for seasons to start 3 weeks after the astronomical events, no before. Also, it states an assertion which is scientifically wrong : "In the Northern Hemisphere the period of maximum daylight falls roughly between May 7 and August 7". Geometry teaches that the daylight in the Northern hemisphere will fall from the 1st second after the summer solstice, until the last second before the winter solstice.

However, the so called "seasonal lag" is not verified everywhere, even the opposite : here in Australia, many places would even have a "seasonal precedence", whether close to the sea or not. The geographical factors make the land warm up way before the solstice, and for longer than 3 months. We could say there are both a precedence and a lag in fact. Therefore, since there are as many exceptions as places on Earth, and it makes only little sense to define as many patterns, my view is that the 4 seasons should be defined based on astronomical events (Sun vs Earth), for consistency's sake, which make them standard for any part of a particular hemisphere at the same time, for the zone comprised between the tropic up to the pole. Of course, this definition can't be used for the equator belt since there are only 2 seasons there, wet and dry.

Tropicalm (talk) 06:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No, geometry teaches us that maximum insolation occurs at the summer solstice (logically the middle of summer). The period of maximum daylight will be 45 or 46 days each side of this date (so May 7th to August 7th would be approximately correct astronomically).  Temperature lag means that the meteorological summer is a variable number of weeks later (according to local climate).  Only a cultural definition could move the start of summer to the beginning of May, and I would be very surprised to find anyone who seriously thinks that autumn begins on the first day of August, though I agree that late August can feel very autumnal in a bad year, and, where I live, a very sharp frost on September 1st turned all my hydrangea flowers and leaves a surreal black a few years ago.  There seems to be some misunderstanding of astronomy, but this has a long history.  Does anyone know where the idea of summer starting at the solstice first originated?    D b f i r s   07:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Needs reorganization
This article needs reorganization and other work. Most importantly, the material that relates generally to the Season article, such as astronomical versus meteorological reckoning and how the seasons are defined in various countries, should be only in that article. Otherwise, all of that material has to be maintained (i.e., revised) in Season, Summer, Winter, and Autumn, which is unacceptable because it is redundant and will lead to inconsistencies. Also, a LOT of material needs source citations (although a lot of that is in what should be merged into Season (or else just deleted here if it is already there). I'm afraid I do not have time to do all this now. Finell (Talk) 03:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed - Autumn, Winter, Spring and Summer should look similar and common info bar a summary should go to Season. Pontificalibus (talk) 19:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Strongly disagree. First off, the season articles are in bad shape (in no better shape than start class), so none of them make a good template for what a season article should look like.  The articles on wikipedia are meant to have overlap, and the astronomical/meteorological information is needed within this article, though I can see the argument that this article includes too much of this sort of information.  Thegreatdr (talk) 15:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

wet season or summer?
is this article about the wet season or summer? also, shouldn't it have the various dates for summer? 67.176.160.47 (talk) 17:22, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that there is far too much about the wet season that has its own article. We need more about traditional summer weather, and less mention of the wet season.  The various dates for summer are mentioned.  Did you mean dates for the varieties of weather?    D b f i r s   21:09, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

activities
There must be a better way to show summer activities than a blurry polaroid and a painting from the 1300s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.44.0.124 (talk) 17:52, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

main pic
With the blooming flowers this shot suggests spring more than summer and the rolled hay suggests a harvest in the fall. I applaud the decision not to go with the most obvious shot (crowds on a beach or lake), so perhaps something else different from that like farmland in middle of the growing season. RoyBatty42 (talk) 18:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * They look like summer flowers to me, and hay is a summer crop, not an autumnal harvest, but if you can find a better picture ....   D b f i r s   21:53, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

 * == == == summer is stupid season ever in my life to hot out side.Every one out when you going out side to play every one start looking at you summer is fucker seosonever. == == ==

Assuming that is vandalism I shall remove it. --The NCC Factor 17:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds pretty sophisticated for Wiki - why remove it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.129.224.141 (talk) 20:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

What's wrong with this
There seems to be an edit war about this paragraph, please discuss it here: Some countries, for example, in Oceania including Australia, New Guinea and New Zealand, use the meteorological definition with summer starting on December 1 and ending in March. --Pontificalibus (talk) 21:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The current version of the sentence is:
 * Because the temperature lag is shorter in the oceanic temperate southern hemisphere[8] most countries in this region, especially Australia and New Zealand, use the meteorological definition with summer starting on December 1 and ending on the last day of February.[9][10]
 * Is there a problem with the claim?   D b f i r s   06:28, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

School Summer vacation
"although in England, Wales and Mexico school ends in mid- to late June." I have no idea about Mexico, but state schools in England and Wales (and Scotland?) finish in mid-late July and return around early september. Indeed, today (22nd July) is the last day of the school year in the school I am presently at! Private schools - especially boarding schools - finish earlier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.121.216.1 (talk) 12:03, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, this was a recent mistaken edit by an anonymous editor. I've reverted the edit.    D b f i r s   15:39, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

WTF
Boy's cycling could happen anytime during the year. It's not a summer pursuit. Where is the British promenarde and US boardwalk, These are real signs of summer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.16.8 (talk) 15:49, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Summer Zodiac
Here is a zodiac of Summer signs. Do not block me, 68.44.157.172, also do not remove it.

Signs

 * 1) Rhinotia hemistictus - Cute and friendly. (1900, 1912, 1924, 1936, 1948, 1960, 1972, 1984, 1996, 2008, 2020)
 * 2) Armadillo - Nice and warm. (1901, 1913, 1925, 1937, 1949, 1961, 1973, 1985, 1997, 2009, 2021)
 * 3) Bee - Good and hot. (1902, 1914, 1926, 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986, 1998, 2010, 2022)
 * 4) Sea anemone - Historic and conflict. (1903, 1915, 1927, 1939, 1951, 1963, 1975, 1987, 1999, 2011, 2023)
 * 5) Dragonfly - Vitality and greeting. (1904, 1916, 1928, 1940, 1952, 1964, 1976, 1988, 2000, 2012, 2024)
 * 6) Dragon - Loveable and friendly. (1905, 1917, 1929, 1941, 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989, 2001, 2013, 2025)
 * 7) Tiger - Nice and strong. (1906, 1918, 1930, 1942, 1954, 1966, 1978, 1990, 2002, 2014, 2026)
 * 8) Rabbit - Proud and administrator. (1907, 1919, 1931, 1943, 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, 2003, 2015, 2027)
 * 9) Cat - Walking and bulking. (1908, 1920, 1932, 1944, 1956, 1968, 1980, 1992, 2004, 2016, 2028)
 * 10) Macromiidae - Independent and apologies. (1909, 1921, 1933, 1945, 1957, 1969, 1981, 1993, 2005, 2017, 2029)
 * 11) Ox - Rich and beautiful. (1910, 1922, 1934, 1946, 1958, 1970, 1982, 1994, 2006, 2018, 2030)
 * 12) Chicken (Rooster in Spain) - Tough and running. (1911, 1923, 1935, 1947, 1959, 1971, 1983, 1995, 2007, 2019, 2031)

Elements

 * Metal
 * Water
 * Wood
 * Fire
 * Earth

Mix-up Element and Animal

 * 1960: Metal Rhinotia hemistictus
 * 1961: Metal Armadillo
 * 1962: Water Bee
 * 1963: Water Sea anemone
 * 1964: Wood Dragonfly
 * 1965: Wood Dragon
 * 1966: Fire Tiger
 * 1967: Fire Rabbit
 * 1968: Earth Cat
 * 1969: Earth Macromiidae
 * 1970: Metal Ox
 * 1971: Metal Chicken
 * 1972: Water Rhinotia hemistictus
 * 1973: Water Armadillo
 * 1974: Wood Bee
 * 1975: Wood Sea anemone
 * 1976: Fire Dragonfly
 * 1977: Fire Dragon
 * 1978: Earth Tiger
 * 1979: Earth Rabbit
 * 1980: Metal Cat
 * 1981: Metal Macromiidae
 * 1982: Water Ox
 * 1983: Water Chicken
 * 1984: Wood Rhinotia hemistictus
 * 1985: Wood Armadillo
 * 1986: Fire Bee
 * 1987: Fire Sea anemone
 * 1988: Earth Dragonfly
 * 1989: Earth Dragon
 * 1990: Metal Tiger
 * 1991: Metal Rabbit
 * 1992: Water Cat
 * 1993: Water Macromiidae
 * 1994: Wood Ox
 * 1995: Wood Chicken
 * 1996: Fire Rhinotia hemistictus
 * 1997: Fire Armadillo
 * 1998: Earth Bee
 * 1999: Earth Sea anemone
 * 2000: Metal Dragonfly
 * 2001: Metal Dragon
 * 2002: Water Tiger
 * 2003: Water Rabbit
 * 2004: Wood Cat
 * 2005: Wood Macromiidae
 * 2006: Fire Ox
 * 2007: Fire Chicken
 * 2008: Earth Rhinotia hemistictus
 * 2009: Earth Armadillo
 * 2010: Metal Bee
 * 2011: Metal Sea anemone
 * 2012: Water Dragonfly
 * 2013: Water Dragon
 * 2014: Wood Tiger
 * 2015: Wood Rabbit
 * 2016: Fire Cat
 * 2017: Fire Macromiidae
 * 2018: Earth Ox
 * 2019: Earth Chicken

This is a zodiac between Summer dates begin June 20-21 and end June 19-20. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IngagedRedBird (talk) 02:31, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Wow! Nice zodiac. I was born in the metal rabbit summer year. - Keith Lehwald 06:50, 12 October 2012

Opinion
I think that summer is a time of year full of fun times and laughter. Not the suns rays and which season, it shouldn't matter which season your in! Just remember if your copy and pasting for a work report or school badge... that you know all about summer. You know its a hot season, a shady tree is perfect to relax under, bikinis and sunburns too!!! Paste from your brain, think of birds and fun family memories. Not scientific words and pasting lies!! USE THE FACTS YOU KNOW ARE TRUE AND BELIEVE IN!!! ;) Summer is amazing dont get me wrong. Lets be thankful we even live life and can bath in the summer surroundings and what they have to offer.


 * The above opinion was added by anon editor 125.237.201.47 who accidentally removed the rest of the page. I've restored both.  My comment would be that the anon editor obviously hasn't experienced the 2012 "summer" in northern England!    D b f i r s   06:55, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

UK summer ends in mid-August - absurd!
"...it is also used by many in the United Kingdom, where summer is thought of as extending from mid-May to mid-August". That's ridiculous. Perhaps it is due to vandalism. I will delete it. The statement "according to the Irish Calendar summer begins 1 May and ends 1 August" seems unlikely, but I am not Irish. 2.97.222.240 (talk) 07:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I've no objection to removing the statement because it's obviously not true for the south of the UK. In Scotland, schools re-start in mid-August, and nights get colder, so it might be reasonable there to say that summer ends earlier.  Here in northern England there is definitely an autumnal feel today (September 2nd) and we are not expecting any more summer (though we might be lucky and get the odd sunny day in September).  I don't think the statement was "due to vandalism", just a reflection of different perceptions in different regions.  The old Irish calendar is based on Celtic tradition which observed insolation and solstices, not temperatures.    D b f i r s   07:49, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Explanation of removal of incorrect info on longest day
Currently the second sentence in the lead perpetuates a common misconception:


 * At the summer solstice, the days are longest and the nights are shortest, with day-length decreasing as the season progresses after the solstice.

First, the solstice is a point in time and does not involve "days" and "nights" (plural). Second, the longest day and the shortest night do not coincide with the solstice, due to the major axis of Earth's elliptical orbit not coinciding with the direction of tilt of its axis -- see Analemma.

I'll fix that passage and another similar one accordingly. 208.50.124.65 (talk) 16:30, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Expansion
I have expanded the content by adding weather-related information and creating a lead for it. More information is clearly needed for this article. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Removed comment on austral summer - no-brainer on my part. FF FridayFields (talk) 05:39, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Confused sentence
From the start of the section "Timing":


 * From an astronomical view, the equinoxes and solstices would be the middle of the respective seasons,[1][2] but a variable seasonal lag means that the meteorological start of the season, which is based on average temperature patterns, occurs several weeks earlier than the start of the astronomical season.

The first part of this sentence defines astronomical summer as centered on the solstice, but the last half treats the solstice as the start of the astronomical summer season.

I'll change it to:


 * From an astronomical view, the equinoxes and solstices would be the middle of the respective seasons,[1][2] but sometimes astronomical summer is defined as starting at the solstice, the time of maximal insolation. A variable seasonal lag means that the meteorological center of the season, which is based on average temperature patterns, occurs several weeks after the time of maximal insolation.

Loraof (talk) 22:48, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Summer starts at midsummer?
I have no argument with the dating of the meteorological seasons, but the actual seasons don't seem to make sense. This article dates the start of summer at the summer solstice, aka. "midsummer". Now if it were midsummer you'd expect it to be half-way through summer, no? And what about all the May Day festivities around the British Isles which clearly indicate that 1 May is regarded as the beginning of Summer? ("Unite and unite, and we will all unite, for Summer is a-come in today, and whither we are going we will all unite in the merry morning of May" - from the Padstow 1 May celebrations) Similarly Halloween or All Souls Eve on 31 October was considered to be the eve of winter. Surely then, in the British Isles at least, the seasons traditionally centred on the equinoxes and solstices, rather than starting on them? Fuzzypeg ☻ 22:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I've just read Season and it is now clear that what this article is describing is the "astronomical" season, which is different from the traditional season. The traditional season is as I suggest above. Fuzzypeg ☻ 22:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * ... and the "astronomical season" is not a season at all, it is just the period from the solstice to the equinox. There is absolutely no scientific or astronomical reason why this period should be called "summer".    D b f i r s   16:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * If you type into Google "first day of summer", before you've even finished typing it in it will give you the response "June 21, 2013; First day of summer (summer solstice)". The definition of summer on Wiktionary reads as follows: "One of four seasons, traditionally the second, marked by the longest and typically hottest days of the year due to the inclination of the Earth and thermal lag. Typically regarded as being from June 22 to September 23 in parts of the USA, and the months of December, January and February in the Southern Hemisphere" (emphasis added). Certainly you're right that this is not a scientific definition, but I and millions of others (at least in the U.S.) are accustomed to this usage, so I find it strange that this article doesn't even mention this usage. Chalkieperfect (talk) 21:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's a fair comment though that definition doesn't make sense where I live (Midsummer being June 24th) . Your definition is given in the article: "In North America, summer is often the period from the summer solstice (usually June 20 or 21 in the Northern Hemisphere) to the autumn equinox". Wiktionary needs adjusting to the correct solstice date, unless people in the USA use a traditional date regardless of the solstice, as some in the UK do for "first day of spring".  The solstice start makes much more sense in areas where the temperature lags six or seven weeks behind the insolation.     D b f i r s   06:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I have to agree that the notion of an "astronomical" summer is not really sensible. Summer, as the "hot season", obviously is determined by weather conditions, not solar ones (though equally obviously the sun has a strong effect on the weather). Sadly this idea that astronomy defines the seasons is widely shared and even promoted by governmental agencies. - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 23:55, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Early was only "глухозимье".
In winter. When the lakes are being icelocking..

Now - spring. Haweve we are locking ..

And else was talked .. "May be we shall and summerlonglocking ..

.. then autumn ..

Ах вы сени мои сени сени новые мои .. 176.59.209.220 (talk) 08:36, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2020
Summer begins on 1 June and ends on 31 August. 147.147.156.99 (talk) 21:33, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Danski454 (talk) 22:12, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Globalize/Northern
I added this template today because the article does not have adequate coverage for summer in the Southern Hemisphere, and also has inaccuracies with respect to the dates of summer in the Southern Hemisphere. A bit of balancing is therefore required here. Some description of summer in the Southern Hemisphere is needed, as well as a more global perspective for the northern summer. --B.d.mills 06:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No mention is made that in the Southern Hemisphere, summer is the season that Christmas and the New Year are celebrated in.
 * The dates of summer in the Southern Hemisphere do not cite references.
 * The dates of the Southern Hemisphere summer are dubious. As mathew pointed out above, the dates for the Australian summer follow the meterological convention and summer is considered to be the whole months of December to February. December 1 is thus the official "first day of summer" in Australia.
 * No mention is made of school dates in the Southern Hemisphere.
 * The description of summer is primarily from a US perspective. More coverage is needed for the rest of the Northern Hemisphere as well as the Southern Hemisphere.


 * These are all excellent points - the article suffers a worldview problem in that it's US-centric. I've had a crack at editing to a more neutral point of view.Newzild (talk) 05:10, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2022
In the introduction, there is a factual error with regard to the definition of summer solstice. The passage incorrectly states that summer solstice is when the earliest sunrise and latest sunset occurs. This is not correct. Summer solstice coincides with the longest period of daylight and is when the Sun travels the longest path through the sky, and that day therefore has the most daylight. Sunrise times are earlier in the days leading up to summer solstice, countering the statement that it occurs on the earliest sunrise, whereas sunset continues to be later and later in the days following summer solstice.

You can see in the link below, I've chosen Sydney, Australia, where it can be seen that sunrises occur earlier than that on December 21, and sunsets occurs at later times after December 21, yet it can be see the the amount of daylight is at its maximum on this day (summer solstice).

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/australia/sydney

I recommend this sentence be changed from: At or centred on the summer solstice, the earliest sunrise and latest sunset occurs, daylight hours are longest and dark hours are shortest, with day length decreasing as the season progresses after the solstice.

to

At or centred on the summer solstice, daylight hours are longest and dark hours are shortest, with day length decreasing as the season progresses after the solstice.

76.89.195.84 (talk) 03:03, 28 December 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ and moved the sunrise/sunset info to a new sentence stating that those occur near (not necessarily on) the solstice. Highway 89 (talk) 04:37, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Composition II
— Assignment last updated by ANA.B2004 (talk) 14:18, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

This entire article is a hot mess!
PLEASE Take this down or allow edits! This article is a hot mess, if not a joke. There is not a single reference to a single thing that actually happens in the Summer time (seasonal produce, the stars, mushrooms etc). This article needs to be open to edits or removed. MilkyMilaOfficial (talk) 22:34, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Wow,Even the other comment under this article points out that this entire article is a joke. Disregarding the fact that You included a random Italian holiday which doesn't Even Take place during the Summer in this article, "National Holidays" have nothing to do with seasons! You just listed random stuff You consider as "Summer" related (taking vacations, British National Holidays), but no where in this article is there a single thing mentioned about the actual season of Summer (aka what distinguishes it from the other 3 seasons ☺️). If this article is not Open to edits, sit down and write a list about things which are both determined by Nature and occur exclusivsly in the Summer time, then try again. Or allow others to make their own article about Summer (the season). MilkyMilaOfficial (talk) 22:49, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Due to page protection, new users can't edit this page. However, I do agree with you that the article is missing any discussion of seasonality in plants and animals. If you'd like to add a new section covering this, write it here on the talk page and hopefully an editor will move your edits into the main article. Alternatively, gain more experience making good-faith edits elsewhere and you will be granted permission to edit the article automatically. Dan Leonard (talk) 23:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but this entire article is a joke.
 * There is no purpose to it.
 * Even the "cultural" aspects are wrong; it lists an Italian holiday which both does not Take place in the Summer time and has nothing to do with the season, which an Italian user Even brought up.
 * The list of "National Holidays" is completely random and serves no point in this article.
 * If the author wanted to, he/she should instead write an article called "Summer (Cultural beliefs in)" about his/her own culture and their practices. Even in countries which are considered "Western" like South Korea, the annual School break takes place during winter, so there is no point to write statements such as "most people Take vacations during the Summer due to the School break". The study of seasons should be scientific.
 * This article is a complete joke which needs to be replaced.
 * I did write an article called Summer (Season), which includes a list of basic Summer occurrences in the Northern Hemisphere. MilkyMilaOfficial (talk) 23:21, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The article starts with "the hottest days of the year are in summer".
 * Did You know that the hottest days of the year follow the annual rising of Sirius in the Northern Hemisphere, which occurs in late August or early September.
 * This article doesn't Even have specific information on that! This article should be removed immediately, it's awful. MilkyMilaOfficial (talk) 23:35, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The least you could do is start by reading Wikipedia's style manual regarding capitalisation and learn that season names aren't capitalised. -  Julietdeltalima   (talk)  14:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * How is that relevant? The titles of Wikipedia articles are always capitalized. . MilkyMilaOfficial (talk) 19:45, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @MilkyMilaOfficial: It's okay to suggest changes to an article that you can't edit so other users can act on them, or reply to why they won't do it. But do not attack other users again or you will have your editing privileges revoked. Please read our policy on personal attack and civility. Isabelle Belato 🏳‍🌈 20:06, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Geography
Where only hot and humid summer season occurs 223.191.50.250 (talk) 05:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)