Talk:SummerSlam (2007)

Removal of Referees?
Why? They are an important part of any match, in kayfabe or not. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 23:07, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Pre-GA review
I looked this over today and it's looking good. There are few things I wanted to mention: Just a few minor things there, and I think it's looking good for nomination after giving other people a chance to look it over. GaryColemanFan (talk) 21:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) The lead is probably too short. It's supposed to be 2-3 full paragraphs for an article around 30KB, and this article is 46KB.
 * 2) What is a "Handicap No Disqualifications Champions Only" match? An explanation of what this means would help.
 * 3) Pectoral muscle could use a wikilink.
 * 4) "Khali's Punjabi-style celebration" leaves me wanting to know more (ie. what does that mean?). Since an explanation would probably move too far away from the article, "Khali's celebration" might be better. This is just my opinion, though.
 * 5) "..forcing him to quit after hitting his left knee repeatedly with a steel chair while upside-down on a steel lighting structure" is a little confusing.
 * 6) I don't watch wrestling, so I'm a little confused. Were Hardy and Porter feuding? The challenges (admittedly, beer drinking and pizza eating don't demonstrate hatred, but they are challenges nonetheless) seem to indicate a rivalry, but they apparently also won the tag team championship at the same time?
 * 7) Who did The Great Khali attack after the I Quit match on September 7? "He" could refer to either Mysterio or Guerrero.
 * 8) A reference for Orton interfering on August 27 is needed.
 * 9) You explain that a title can't change hands by countout or disqualification, but this explanation is given the second time that a champion retains a belt by disqualification. It should be moved to the first time this happens (Khali-Batista).
 * 10) The last line ("Orton had kicked in his head") doesn't seem right. Should it be "had kicked him in his head"?
 * 11) Per the discussion on the WP:PW talk page a while back, it's generally preferred to use a word like "performed" rather than "hit" when someone executes a move. This helps to clarify that wrestling is not real and helps avoid the "in universe" problem.
 * 1) Who did The Great Khali attack after the I Quit match on September 7? "He" could refer to either Mysterio or Guerrero.
 * 2) A reference for Orton interfering on August 27 is needed.
 * 3) You explain that a title can't change hands by countout or disqualification, but this explanation is given the second time that a champion retains a belt by disqualification. It should be moved to the first time this happens (Khali-Batista).
 * 4) The last line ("Orton had kicked in his head") doesn't seem right. Should it be "had kicked him in his head"?
 * 5) Per the discussion on the WP:PW talk page a while back, it's generally preferred to use a word like "performed" rather than "hit" when someone executes a move. This helps to clarify that wrestling is not real and helps avoid the "in universe" problem.
 * 1) You explain that a title can't change hands by countout or disqualification, but this explanation is given the second time that a champion retains a belt by disqualification. It should be moved to the first time this happens (Khali-Batista).
 * 2) The last line ("Orton had kicked in his head") doesn't seem right. Should it be "had kicked him in his head"?
 * 3) Per the discussion on the WP:PW talk page a while back, it's generally preferred to use a word like "performed" rather than "hit" when someone executes a move. This helps to clarify that wrestling is not real and helps avoid the "in universe" problem.
 * 1) Per the discussion on the WP:PW talk page a while back, it's generally preferred to use a word like "performed" rather than "hit" when someone executes a move. This helps to clarify that wrestling is not real and helps avoid the "in universe" problem.
 * 1) Per the discussion on the WP:PW talk page a while back, it's generally preferred to use a word like "performed" rather than "hit" when someone executes a move. This helps to clarify that wrestling is not real and helps avoid the "in universe" problem.

That's all that I can think of for now. iMat thew   20  08  02:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) One more thing. Every paragraph in the event section is only sourced in the last sentence. Is there are way that the whole paragraph can be sourced? Instead of just the last sentence. Nevermind
 * 2) I notice that the date and venue is sourced in the infobox, but I believe it should be sourced in the article as well.
 * Why would you source the whole paragraph? Would you source every sentence? Also, the date and venue are already sourced in the article. --Cheers, L  A  X  02:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean every sentence. Forget it, I guess. I meant the date and venue should be sourced in the first paragraph, but I guess not either. Forget it too, iMat  thew   20  08  02:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It is sourced in the first paragraph. Look at this ref. --Cheers, L  A  X  02:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

GA review

 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

Issues: --13 of Diamonds (talk) 21:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * relevance of specific details of the Cena/Carlito match. Information on Orton's involvement is sufficient.
 * Orton did nothing really. All he did was come out to the ring and distract Cena. So, IMO, interfered is what should be there. –Cheers, L  A  X  15:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What I meant was this is not relevant: "Cena controlled most of the match, performing a variety of moves including a Twisting belly to belly side slam and a Sitout hiptoss." and "after forcing Carlito to submit with the STFU" --13 of Diamonds (talk) 20:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it was part of the match, so I don't see any reason why it should be removed. –Cheers, L  A  X  21:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The paragraph is about the Cena/Orton feud. The match (before the interference) contributed nothing to the feud. --13 of Diamonds (talk) 21:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "then-World champion Edge". Introduction of new "World champion" term should be avoided.
 * I mean you should not use "World champion" because it could mean something other than the World Heavyweight Championship.
 * "became new World Heavyweight Champion". "the" should be added before "new"
 * "ECW title". Use official name.
 * The two uses of "15 Minutes of Fame match" suggests it might not be the same match.
 * Use "the [...] match" instead of "a [...] match" for the second use.
 * The Mysterio/Guerrero paragraph does not mention anything after the I Quit match.
 * Capitalization of maneuvers inconsistencies.
 * Still some differences. I think you should have all names except made up ones in lower case.
 * Made up ones? –Cheers, L  A  X  21:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ --13 of Diamonds (talk) 21:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "Umaga quickly countered". Countered what?
 * Link for "ECW" but not "RAW" and "SmackDown!" for Divas match
 * "was eliminated herself". "herself" unnecessary.
 * "The sixth match of the night". "Night" could include or exclude the dark match.
 * "perform a Pedigree, pinning him for the win". Reword. The Pedigree was not used to pin him, but led to the pin.
 * "retained the tile". Typo.
 * "Steel chair". "Steel" should not be in title case.
 * "who was waring Mysterio's ring attire". typo.
 * Guerrero was. Hence why it is within commas after his name. –Cheers, L  A  X  21:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe it's spelled "wearing".
 * Link for "ECW" but not "RAW" and "SmackDown!" for Divas match
 * "was eliminated herself". "herself" unnecessary.
 * "The sixth match of the night". "Night" could include or exclude the dark match.
 * "perform a Pedigree, pinning him for the win". Reword. The Pedigree was not used to pin him, but led to the pin.
 * "retained the tile". Typo.
 * "Steel chair". "Steel" should not be in title case.
 * "who was waring Mysterio's ring attire". typo.
 * Guerrero was. Hence why it is within commas after his name. –Cheers, L  A  X  21:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe it's spelled "wearing".
 * "retained the tile". Typo.
 * "Steel chair". "Steel" should not be in title case.
 * "who was waring Mysterio's ring attire". typo.
 * Guerrero was. Hence why it is within commas after his name. –Cheers, L  A  X  21:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe it's spelled "wearing".
 * Guerrero was. Hence why it is within commas after his name. –Cheers, L  A  X  21:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe it's spelled "wearing".

--13 of Diamonds (talk) 23:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The Aftermath section should state clearly what happened to the feuds. Consider lead sentences.
 * Link dates. (Only make links that are relevant to the context)

--13 of Diamonds (talk) 23:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Remove uses of just "Chavo" to "Guerrero".
 * Since I mentioned Vickie Guerrero, there would be confusion if I just mentioned "Guerrero." –Cheers, L  A  X  23:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "further intensified". Is that sourced? If not, remove.
 * At the end of the sentence. –Cheers, L  A  X  23:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems quite subjective anyway. I suggest removing it. --13 of Diamonds (talk) 23:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Link "Funaki".

GA pass
I have passed this article as GA class. --13 of Diamonds (talk) 01:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Sources for PPV reaction + other stuff
"*Early booking plans call for a couple of matches on the SummerSlam card featuring Jackass cast members, by themselves, or teamed with WWE faces vs WWE heels.
 * Source that lots of people backstage were against the Jackass angle - Full QUOTE: Early SummerSlam Notes, HUGE heat on upcoming Jackass angle that was almost cancelled - Submitted by Calvin Martin on Saturday, June 9, 2007 at 9:37 PM EST
 * Shane McMahon is the one behind the upcoming Jackass angle to be played out on TV over the summer building towards SummerSlam. Shane has wanted to bring them back since the last time they were used in WWE, when they were laid out by Umaga. It was then that Shane wanted to do a longer term angle with them but Stephanie and Triple H disagreed because they felt the Jackass members could not be trusted to do the right thing for wrestling. Vince, in the middle, never gave an answer thus it was not given approval. Since the last time Jackass was on WWE TV, and up until WrestleMania, the ratings have been stong so there was no pressure for Vince to make a decision on the Jackass angle. Recently the USA Networks have come down on WWE for lower ratings and now Vince has agreed.
 * The last time the Jackass members were used in WWE they rubbed alot of people the wrong way by not selling to the wrestlers very good in matches. Umaga had even gotten rough with Steve O to send a message, but did not hurt him. When the WWE was in Tampa for Monday Night Raw on June 4th, Steve O was backstage pissing a lot of people off. Besides being his usual crazy self and not having dressing room etiquette, Steve O had a camera crew with him the entire time, secretly filming, for his upcoming Paparazzi Stuntman DVD. They filmed wrestlers going over finishes ahead of time. They tried filming the wrestlers changing but that was stopped. They even filmed creative going over promos and match details with wrestlers. When Vince found out about all of this he damn near cancelled the whole Jackass angle, but was talked out of it by Shane. Now it appears Shane will be playing backstage babysitter all summer and lots of people are expecting several incidents to happen.
 * Jackass members already signed for the angle are: Steve O, Chris Pontius, Wee-Man, Bam Margera, Ryan Dunn, and Preston Lacey. Johnny Knoxville has yet to agree because he is still in talks. Rake Yohn turned down the angle. Ehren McGhehey and Dave England were not offered a spot.
 * As previously rumored, Triple H is likely to return at SummerSlam for a match with Randy Orton. That match, along with the Jackass match(es) will be co-promoted as the main events.
 * SummerSlam was originally going to be used by WWE to build to the future. Original ideas included: DX vs Team RKO, Triple H vs Edge or Randy Orton, and Vince vs Rey Mysterio."


 * Source stating "Jackass" plans scrapped
 * SLAM! Sports Report - Gives the event a rating of 6.5/10 (Highest match rating 7.5/10 for WWE title match, ECW title match & Rey/Chavo; Lowest match rating 1/10 for World title)
 * WrestlingRevealed Review - Calls matches disappointing (especially Khali/Batista), skits good, especially MVP/Hardy/Austin.
 * TheWrestlingFan Review - Shares same view as the other two on Khali/Batista, also says on whole PPV was "just above average". Out of the three reviews, they all share the same view that Khali v. Batista was crap!
 * Source with the ten superstars that were suspended days after the event. Needs to be included in aftermath, you need to note certain superstars were off TV e.g. Chavo. Quote from article: "On September 7 edition of SmackDown!, Mysterio defeated Chavo Guerrero in an "I Quit" match." - you need to note this was to get Chavo off TV due to the suspension.

Hope this helps. D.M.N. (talk) 17:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

RFC: CompleteWWE.com & WrestleView.com reliable?
This article is a well written good article, that is fully sourced. However, during it's FAC, it was pointed out that CompletWWE.com and WrestleView.com are not reliable, however, they are not false reporting/speculating websites like Wrestlezone.com, which at WP:PW is considered unreliable. However, CompleteWWE.com is a website that uses magazines from WWE and uses other sites to report their information, found hereand WrestleView is an established website that has been running since 1997 and reporting Wrestling News, with established reporters, found here. So is CompleteWWE.com and WrestleView.com reliable?-- ~   S  R  S   ~  23:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

If they are described neutrally above, I wound consider them reliable. Zginder 2008-05-08T12:45Z (UTC)
 * I agree with Zginder. From the descriptions, they seem reliable enough (unless, perhaps, they're used to back up controversial claims).  Powers T 14:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

They seem to be reliable enough for this topic anyways - it's not like many major news sources are going to be covering the things that these sites cover. 63.164.47.227 (talk) 06:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

"As Part of the Storyline"
Do we really need the words "as part of the storyline" and "due to scripted events" in every sentence? its kinda annoying and is very pointless —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbhsfootball28 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Lead
The lead seems too long and goes into unnecessary detail. --Jameboy (talk) 12:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:SummerSlam (2003) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 05:15, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

So why did the match time for the SummerSlam Main-Event get deleted? I got accused of vandalism despite the match clearly not being only around 14 minutes, I did the recording of the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.13.115 (talk) 23:01, 9 March 2015 (UTC)