Talk:Summit League

Oral Roberts rejoins Summit League
It was just announced that Oral Roberts will rejoin the Summit League as of 2014-2015 school year.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JB318 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref cite added to listing as Future Member... GWFrog (talk) 06:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

School type/religious affiliation
The religious affiliation or designation as "non-sectarian" is not so clear cut. For example, Duke University describes its ties with Methodism as "formal, on-going, and symbolic" while Wake Forest maintains "a dedication to the values rooted in its Baptist heritage". Both schools can be considered "non-sectarian" in that they are no longer under the direct auspices of their founding religious organizations. Likewise, Boston College maintains its Jesuit identity in spite of the fact that it severed its formal ties with the Jesuit Order (and thereby the Catholic Church) in the 1960s when it was independently incorporated under a lay board of trustees. Unlike the Catholic University of America, which is under the direct auspices of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, or the University of Notre Dame, which is governed by "fellows" who must be priests of the Congregation of Holy Cross, The Trustees of Boston College (BC's governing body) operate independent of any religious jurisdiction. This arrangement is probably similar to that at Duke or Wake Forest, except that the BC trustees have voluntarily chosen to elect members of the founding religious organization to the presidency (though they are not required to do so). In fact, similar arrangements exist at other Jesuit colleges and universities, where both women and non-clerics have been elected to presidency (most recently at Georgetown). All of this is to say that I think the nature of a school's religious affiliation is beyond the scope of this article, and that "public" or "private" suffice in the context of the members table.--24.63.125.78 10:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * 24.63.125.78 has coppied and pasted this on almost every college conference discussion board. Please refer to Talk:Atlantic Coast Conference so we can keep all the discussion in one place.  Thanks. -- Masonpatriot

Logo Removal
Ed, you are acting unilaterally in your interpretation of policy yet again. There is no consensus in support of the actions you are taking. You are well aware of the ongoing discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Logos. Johntex\talk 16:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Ole Miss vs. Mississippi
Should the University of Mississippi be referred to as Mississippi like in 1998 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament? Fbdave 00:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Conference Tournament
Perhaps a 2007 Mid-Continent Conference Men's Basketball Tournament article would be valuable. They have conference tournament pages for 2007 Southern Conference Men's Basketball Tournament and 2007 ACC Men's Basketball Tournament.Fbdave 23:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we could add a Women's Basketball Tournament in the NCAA tournament —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atilla5 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

"Summit League" vs "The Summit League"
According to this page: http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stories/051507aaf.html and the logo on that page, it appears that the new league will be called "THE Summit League" as opposed to just the "Summit League".

I also think we should wait until June 1 to move Mid-Con articles and references to TSL references.

Thoughts? X96lee15 18:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * This document describes the way the league wants its new name to be referenced. To quote:


 * "On first reference, refer to it as The Summit League. Future references may be shortened to The Summit. Do not refer to the league as TSL or SL."


 * Since I already created The Summit League article, I do not believe we can move the current page (Summit League) to The Summit League without an admin. X96lee15 19:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No. Just redirect Summit League to The Summit League starting June 1.  --myselfalso 19:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Name change
While I appreciate the enthusiasm, the fact is that the league's new name takes effect on June 1, and today is May 17. Don't change it until June 1. --fuzzy510 18:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Midwestern vs. Horizon in Former Members section
Changing the notation for the former members who jumped to the Horizon League to the (other) MCC was a good idea; it makes sense, insofar as it wasn't yet the Horizon League when they moved, and there seems to be a consistent effort to have such references point to the name of the conference as it was at the time of the move. However, I just reverted the change in regard to Youngstown State only, as they moved to the Horizon in the summer of 2001. This may or may not have been precisely after the name change (which also happened that summer) officially took effect, but I think it's sensible as YSU never played a game as a member of the "Midwestern Collegiate Conference", only the "Horizon League". JFMorse 15:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with what you're thinking. YSU should be listed as the Horizon. X96lee15 15:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Valparaiso
Beginning in 2007 the Valparaiso Crusaders will be competing in the Horizon League. Should they be removed from the roster of the Summit League?
 * They leave on July 1. At that time, they will be moved. --fuzzy510 00:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Map incorrect
The map on the far right by bullshark is incorrect, lacking shading for Louisiana, the state Centenary resides in. mercator079 00:16 2 Nov 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.1.114 (talk)   Ironically this map has corrected itself automatically, due to Centenary's departure from the conference.

UN-Omaha's Caniglia Field?
Question about what to do with UN-Omaha's Al F. Caniglia Field for the facilities listing, as the Mavs no longer sponsor football. So while the stadium is still there, it's no long in use for football. They do have a women's track team, but it doesn't look like they've hosted any meet in the stadium in at least a decade (a quick look through their archived schedules shows their only meet hosted since 2003 was in 2005 at a local high school). Add that to the Stadium no longer being listed on their website...and I'm guessing it just doesn't count at this point (unless they renovate and bring the track and soccer teams in). -Colslax (talk) 05:35, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposal to make timelines more consistent
I noticed that conferences in List of NCAA conferences have articles, usually including a membership timeline. While some of the decisions made for each conference make some sense, there is a wide variety of styles for the various timelines, particularly involving color choices, but also other matters of style that could be more consistent.

for example, a school with a yellow bar means:
 * An associate member in one sport (if part of the BE)
 * A former member of the conference (in the SEC)
 * A future member of the conference (in the SEC and Big West)
 * A football only member (in the Sun Belt)
 * A team that has moved to another conference (in the WAC, NEC)
 * A full member of the Big Sky

Some graphs have captions, some do not, and none are centered. To see the variety of styles, review Current conference timelines

I think it would be worth discussing how best to provide some measure of consistency, recognizing that there may be legitimate reasons for some differences from a standard presentation (for example, some conferences show the name of the new conference for former members. In some cases, this makes sense, in other, it may not.)

I've produced a draft of how the timelines would look with some consistency added. Please see Draft proposal of conference timelines.

I propose a discussion to see if there is consensus on improving the consistency.

Because it would not be practical to have this discussion on each and every conference talk page, I suggest centralizing this discussion at the Talk page of Project College football SPhilbrick  (Talk)  12:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Standardize facility sections
See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College baseball.

Membership map
I edited the lower membership map with the red dots and the school names. I uploaded the revised version to Wikimedia Commons but I can't figure out how to get it to appear here. I made similar edits last year and managed to get it to work right. JB318 (talk) 06:12, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

The membership map is currently incorrect since Oakland University left for the Horizon League on July 1st, 2013.

Discussion about overview maps for US collegiate athletic conferences
A discussion on the Project College Football talk page has been created to discuss the proper format of the overview maps that are used for the US collegiate athletic conference pages.

If you're interested, please join the discussion here: Athletic conference overview maps and their lack of consistency. Mdak06 (talk) 00:01, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

College basketball team navigation templates
Please join the discussion at the College Basketball Wikiproject for forming a consensus on the creation of a basic navigation template for college basketball teams. CrazyPaco (talk) 09:11, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Missing Mens Volleyball as sport sponsered by IPFW
IPFW also sponsors Men Volleyball and belongs to the MIVA.65.25.234.81 (talk) 04:08, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 26 January 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved. There is a consensus to remove the definite article per WP:THE. Jenks24 (talk) 08:13, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

The Summit League → Summit League – Per WP:THE and WP:COMMONNAME. IMO, it would be the same as WP:THE #2 about the US, and it would also be the same for universities. Taking a quick glance on news.google.com: Summit League generates 7.64 million searches whereas The Summit League generates 4.69 million. ESPN uses "the Summit League", and local media like WANE-TV, KDLT-TV, Tulsa World, (the list can go on, but I think you get the point). Summit League is the WP:COMMONNAME here, not "The Summit League" like the league wants to be named. Universities like Ohio State University, which uses "The", would be one good university article to cite as a reason to not use "The". The lede can still be worded as "The Summit League...", but the article title should not. Current and former schools in the conference don't even use "The" in the articles: Example 1, Example 2. ❄ Corkythe hornetfan  ❄ 23:09, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Support move per Corky's rationale. The guidelines regarding article titles and the use of "The" are pretty clear on point.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:27, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support: This is a routine WP:COMMONNAME and WP:THE move; we've been over this before with various universities that, in their own materials, insist on using "The" (caps and all). WP has its own house style, based on consistent and non-confusing reader experience, and it is not dictated to us but external branding whims. In the rare case we go along with an unusual style (e.g. Deadmau5 and iPod, but not "P!nk" for Pink (singer) or ""Se7en" for Seven (film)), it's because reliable, independent sources  follow the stylization consistently.  PS: The lead should read "The Summit League ..." in keeping with the title, per WP:LEAD and MOS:BOLD. [Note: I helped draft the rationale for this RM.]  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  23:37, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose move Looking at your Google News links, I'm not sure that's a valid metrics since "The Summit League" references are included is results for "Summit League".
 * I've also seen examples in reliable sources that capitalize "The" in running text . You'll be able to find lots of examples of usage both ways, I'd imagine.
 * OSU is an awkward comparison since you don't typically say "the" when referring to " University". That's the main reason why the COMMONNAME of that article is just "OSU". — X96lee15 (talk) 23:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Support move Articles such as University of Houston and University of Chicago do not use the word "The" in their article titles, either. Fbdave (talk) 01:11, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support move-Although I personally refer the conference as "the Summit League." The move would be consistent with existing policies, and makes total sense.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 06:43, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


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Merging AMCU football to here
Merged Association of Mid-Continent Universities football into this page: their histories broadly overlap, and can be considered two units of the same institution, in a similar vein to how Colonial Athletic Association and CAA football operate now. Finchwidget (talk) 21:27, 10 December 2022 (UTC)