Talk:Sumy

Russian name variant
Since Sumy is in the eastern part of Ukraine, adding the Russian variant is completely appropriate and a citation tag is ridiculous. --Taivo (talk) 23:07, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

But the Russian language is NOT official language in Ukraine. So the city of Sumy spelled in Russian is NOT appropriate. --68.36.49.223 (talk) 23:44, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Doesn't matter what you think, anon IP. A significant percentage of Russian spellings are still found in English, so the Russian names for places in central and eastern Ukraine are quite appropriate.  This is the English Wikipedia, not the official arm of the Ukrainian government.  --Taivo (talk) 04:10, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Russian variants do no require citation
Standard Wikipedia practice in eastern Ukrainian, where as many as half of the population speaks Russian natively, is to include the Russian variants on placenames. No citation is necessary any more than a citation is necessary for placing the Ukrainian variant in placenames where the majority of the community speaks Russian as their first language (as in the Crimea). The citation tags were nothing more than WP:POINTy editing by an anonymous editor who is pushing an anti-Russian Ukrainian POV. Citations are not necessary for these things. --Taivo (talk) 02:21, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Who said so, you? Russian is not official language in Ukraine...--68.38.122.179 (talk) 21:53, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The information is useful to English readers of Wikipedia.--Toddy1 (talk) 04:32, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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Removal of Russian labeling
, I removed the Russian labeling for the same purpose why the cities of Russia that have historical connection with Ukraine do not carry Ukrainian labeling. Consistency, buddy. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:35, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Did you notice how Kaliningrad does not carry its original German label? Or Geneva its German name? Or Sitka, Alaska its Russian name? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:45, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

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Demographics
This section has no citations FOR 16 YEARS. The chart picture shows diiferent population figures from the table, and table is not cited, so it may be removed. I will wait and put the meesage.PAper GOL (talk) 07:15, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2024
Change Sumy website link to https://city.sumy.ua/. It currently links to an online casino Adamfr5 (talk) 01:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I removed the current link, but can't confirm what the official link is. I popped the one above into Google Translate and it didn't seem quite right to me, so I'll leave it for someone else to add. Bestagon ⬡ 02:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * the above source looks like a blog (all articles are written by a certain "VladaNet"). M.Bitton (talk) 15:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: proposed website link inaccurate. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 11:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Sumy article as "translation"
All - a quick review (30 June 2024) of the article on Sumy does very much show a slavic style (call it Russian, Soviet, or Ukrainian, if you like), and many items of vocabulary (like Oblast) that do not translate well into English.

As an example, an oblast is simply an administrative region, perhaps on the order of county or parish. But not the same - so leaving the term oblast in place does indeed seem appropriate.

All of that said - I did NOT see anything in the article that screamed out at me "I need a better translation." A "Simple English" wiki entry would, of course, read very differently.

But if you are actually involved in the details of Ukraine, Russia, Poland, and so forth, the translations look pretty good.

One thing that could certainly be restructured is the reference to the climate as similar to a Russian city (because of similar geography and proximity.) However, I think that most people who know what a Koppen Climate is, would likely not glitch on the slightly awkward structure that is presently in place in the article.

Yes, if I was explaining things to someone who does not follow Eastern Europe - things would very much be simplified, summarized, glossed - and in the end be actually pretty inaccurate. Is that the goal?

Further, given that this is now a protected article - it seems like it may be time to remove the flag calling out a poor or automatic translation. Simply, some translations are awkward. That is the whole story. 24.10.58.64 (talk) 07:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)