Talk:Sunn O)))/Archive 1

Heaviest Album...
On this page it states that White1 was listed as the 18th heaviest album, just above AC/DC and below Aphex Twin, however on the albums page it says just below Jimmy Hendrix's 'Are You Experienced', which I imagine is far more likely...Im just sayin'. Physischitzo 9:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The correct one would be between AC/DC and Jimi Hendrix. Aphex Twin places one higher than Jimi Hendrix.


 * By the way, I think lists like these are pathetic, zines such as Rolling Stone and Q Magazine only makes these lists to get attention and they really don't know what they are talking about. That is just my thought, though.


 * Backtable Speak to Me about what I have done  02:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

German version
There seems to be a lot more information about this band on The German Article, it would be useful if someone could translate.
 * Actually, it doesn't seem to say much more than the English article does. - Dysfunktion 22:17, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 16:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

pic
Why the band's picture has Oren Ambarchi (who's not in the band!) in close up? I think its pretty stupid.


 * Pretty fair question I guess. Does anyone have a better pic?--P4k 23:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Image:Sunno)))cloaks.jpg might be a suitable replacement for now (it's already used in the article, under "History"). ~Inkington 16:52, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I replaced it with another image which hopefully actually depicts the band.--P4k 02:28, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

discog
It's actually Black One -- not Black1 or Black 1 or something.

The discography is needlessly complicated. The Grimmrobe Demos should be listed as a studio album and doesn't deserve a separate section. Whatever its title and origin, it was released as an official studio album at the time. If it was a set of alternative early versions of songs that was released years after it was recorded, it would make sense to make it an "other release". But it's not. 24.69.71.254 (talk) 20:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.71.254 (talk) 20:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Informative?
In the May 28th, 2006, edition of The New York Times Magazine, Sunn O))) is featured in the "Heady Metal" Article, with both members in their signature cloaks.

Does anyone think this line is worthy of note? I'm not sure whether to leave it in or remove it.  ~ Mr Inky · (T @ C) 19:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * While the mention of the cloaks doesn't really sit well, I think the article is worthy of mention, as it's both a good article and a sort of milestone of recognition of Sunn o))). --Nosmo 15:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Black One picture?
Was that picture of SOMA and Greg standing from the 1cd edition or something? Mine had a wall of skulls. Dysfunktion 05:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

FOTB
I have a CD version that explicit says "3: Flight of the Behemoth" on the CD itself as well as on the side, with the 3: as a reference to Earth of course, but shouldn't that be the full/correct title of the album? PhilippN 12:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. I was under the impression that it's always been "3: Flight Of The Behemoth".Demonofthefall 13:28, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

zzz
Um, Anderson is the owner of Southern Lord, not O'Malley. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.50.187.46 (talk)

O))) or 0)))?
Is it a numerical 0 or the letter O? I have always assumed it's the number, but this article seems to disagree with me... Demonofthefall 02:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Third of a year too late, but think of it as an ASCII pic, with the O representing the sun; a numerical 0 would be a bit too elongated. --Dane ~nya 13:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry to bring this topic up again, but if the band themselves use it (http://www.southernlord.com/index2.php & http://blog.southernlord.com) then why isn't everyone else using the "0"? -82.18.49.148 14:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing that the spellings are interchangeable. On Southern Lord's website, both "sunn 0)))" and "SUNN O)))" are used on the same page. Stephen O'Malley consistently uses the "O)))" spelling on his website.
 * Since O))) is generally used more often than "0)))", and since it more closely resembles the logo (as Dane said above), I think we should leave it as "Sunn O)))". ~Inkington 13:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Post-metal? What?
As a fan of post-metal like I am I'm puzzled by the idea that a band that is extremely drone doom would be classified as post-metal as it doesn't really include the post-rock elements that are so needed. dethtoll 17:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * be quiet genreboy
 * "be quiet genreboy". I know this is a little late to say this, but that phrase was pretty rude. Backtable Speak to Me  about what I have done  18:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

drone metal/drone doom?
i would like to know what the author of this page considers to be the difference between drone metal and drone doom (listed as separate genres herein).
 * it lacks the doom elements needed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 16:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

What are the Doom elements? Which ones are lacking? Shouldn't we try to as clear as possible? If we can't cite specifics, doesn't a particular label become meaningless? --- It doesn&#39;t stick. (talk) 19:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Drone metal is the term most widely used in the media, which is why the drone metal page now exists. If a distinction needed to be made between drone doom and drone metal proper, one might say that drone doom has a clearer relationship to the doom metal lineage (Saint Vitus and such) whereas drone metal borrows more prominently from black metal, Japanoise, and other non-"doom" flavors. Aryder779 (talk) 19:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Sunn O))) Logo.png
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Naming
The Wikipedia manual of style does not allow stylistic representations of logos and non-grammatical design features (such as spelling "adidas" with a lower case "a"). It would appear this article falls foul of this, and should be moved to Sunn (band) with references to Sunn O))) changed to Sunn.  Dei z  talk 14:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Their name is Sunn O))). I don't know what the manual of style says but sometimes you need to make exceptions to policy.  It wouldn't improve Wikipedia or this article for us to be the only people in the world to call them "sunn."--P4k 14:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think Deiz' comments are wrong. It reminds me of Stephen Colbert, change the name of the band by changing it on wikipedia.  Linkboyz 02:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * the manual of style is not set in stone, or policy, but merely a guideline. i think this is one of the cases where adhering to it would be to the detriment of the article. the name of the band is sunn o))), unusual typography or no. --Kaini 02:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * All of the sources call them "sunn 0)))" or some variation. I do not agree with removing it from the name as it seems this is what they are referred to as in print. The "0)))" is not just a ascii art, it's part of the official trademark as far as I can tell. ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 18:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Nope. The bands name is Sunn O))), not Sunn. So the move should be a no go. Prepare to be Mezmerized! 01:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

really metal?
does o'malley really think the sun revolves around the earth?

Should Oracle be considered an album or EP?
Opinions? Granted, it only has three songs, but so do White1 and White2. And indeed, "Helio)))sophist" goes for over forty minutes. I would think this qualifies "Oracle" as being an album, not an EP. Demonofthefall (talk) 13:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The length of the album doesn't change whether or not it's considered a full-length album or an EP - Metal-Archives for example, lists it as an EP; and I believe it's sold as such. I think I've encountered CD's where an EP's length is longer than that of a full-length album. ≈  The Haunted Angel  13:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

New Tour 2008
A new (mini) tour has been announced on 8-8-08 to commemorate the ten year anniversary of Grim Robe. I've seen bands with current tour info in their Wikipedia entries, but I'm unaware if there's any official stance on if this should be included or not. It doesn't usually strike me as something that ought to be included. Does anyone have any thoughts as to whether such a section should be added here?--- It doesn&#39;t stick. (talk) 21:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think that is notable enough to put on the article. It doesn't deserve its own section though, if that's what you're asking. I'll get to work on it very soon.


 * Looks good to me. Cheers.- It doesn&#39;t stick. (talk) 16:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, dude. B T C 19:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Cloaks?
Look, seriously they are robes. Long, closed garments with hoods and sleeves. Trust me on this. The distinction is even made here: Robes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.74.101.45 (talk) 11:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, you made a good point there. I kept the cloth description as robes, but I remove the parenthesis part after one of those entries, because there isn't a definition needed on this article on what a robe is. Thank you. Backtable Speak to Me  about what I have done  18:44, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Fridge metal.
This vandalism is not funny; it is very much uncalled for. See the revision history if you don't know what I'm talking about. Backtable Speak to Me about what I have done  19:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It was very funny, however immature. 86.43.190.122 (talk) 22:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Baptist Missions template
Is there any reason for this to be here (after the biography template)? Shall I remove it or is there something I'm missing? DavidCh0 (talk) 14:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, that's rather weird. It is also the wrong sort of template to be in a talk page. I think it doesn't belong. Backtable Speak to Me  about what I have done  21:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand why it got in there. It used to be the wikiproject black metal template, but then it became the Baptist Missionary template. The connection is that they both have the initials "BM". Backtable Speak to Me  about what I have done  21:24, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Genre
I have been contacting Stephen O'Malley personally, through wikipedia and e-mail, and he doesn't like the term "drone metal" describing his band Sunn O))). He told me that the term "experimental music" would adequately describe his band's genre. The reasoning as to why he doesn't like drone metal describing his music is because of how it makes a good marketing term, yet it doesn't reflect their overall image of the band well. By the way, he has been editing the Sunn O))) page and related pages under the name of Khanate. Also, what other terms would adequately describe Sunn O)))'s music? What type of metal terminology would apply to Sunn O)))'s music as well?

Backtable Speak to Me about what I have done  03:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This constitues original research, not to mention an incredible amount of bias. I would say that "experimental" as a genre should go, since it 1) isn't sourced 2) came from a biased party 3) the terms "drone" and "drone metal" already define the band well-enough. = ∫tc 5th Eye 03:27, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes; it is original research but it is from the one of members themselves, so at least it has some credibility, for that matter. You can at least put it into their Wikipedia article with their own thoughts on the matter of what they feel and think of the term "drone metal" or "drone", or any genre that they're described as, for that matter. The band prefers to be called experimental or avant-garde, for their music genre, and yes, it is completely biased, but it does say what they feel on the topic. Don't they have a right to say what they think regarding their genre? panicpack121 15:54, 2 February 2014