Talk:Sunny (singer)

Move warring
I've now fully protected the page against moves. Please try to form a consensus as to where the article should be placed, and then the move protection can be lifted by any admin without checking with me. I realize Dr. Crisp's last move was uncontroversial (korean to Korean), but articles being moved 3 times in 24 hours is unusual. Cheers. Syrthiss (talk) 13:29, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It wasn't Dr. Crisp but SKS. I think we've come to an agreement of Korean being capitalized. :D EunSoo (talk) 06:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * My point is this: Sunny is not just a singer. She took part in many television shows as part of a cast.  As such, "singer" is inappropriate as a disambiguating term, because "entertainer" is much more encompassing of what Sunny does.  When the page was created, it was moved to "entertainer" and was stable until User:EunSoo started with the multiple page moves. SKS (talk) 18:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * As an external observer, that is my read on the situation as well. Syrthiss (talk) 18:53, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Sugar
This group for which Sunny trained before joining SM Ent, is 'Sugar' the correct name?

Only there was another group called Sugar, which was managed by Sunny's elder sister (as mentioned on the recent HaHa Mong show, which maybe is worthy of mentioning with the rest of her family stuff). I can't see a company coming out with the exact same name as another group, even if they had disbanded around that time. CharlieT (talk) 15:08, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Moved to the first option offered since there was not preference for one option over the other. Also the article was already at singer. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Sunny (Korean singer) → Sunny (singer) — OR Sunny (entertainer): "Korean" isn't needed as there is no entertainer or singer that goes solely by Sunny. Personally, I think "entertainer" is the more encompassing term, because she's also on reality shows and did some show-hosting as well. SKS (talk) 16:14, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Support either. The 'Korean' part seems unneeded. Syrthiss (talk) 16:16, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Note - I have semiprotected the talk page because of IP socks. Syrthiss (talk) 11:40, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Name ?
Now it may well be that her name should be spelled Sun-Gyu  using the western alphabet, but it is a fact that it is everywhere on the Internet written as Soonkyu Eregli bob (talk) 05:22, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * See this page on Korean names. If you can find official sources &mdash; like news articles and such &mdash; that Romanize her name as "Soonkyu, then of course it would override any standards.  But do you have any? SKS (talk) 05:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Place of birth
The infobox claimed Sunny was born in San Francisco while the intro text claimed she was born in Horn Lake, Mississippi. I took their consensus and replaced both references with the United States. The provided reference for this information was Invincible Youth, episode 15. I did not verify the source myself. If someone wishes to verify this source and/or identifies the true location she was born in, please add the information back to the page. Michaelcomella (talk) 03:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I found information on Sunny, but I'm not sure if her mother's last name is "Park". Also, the birthday is the same (day, month AND year), but her name is "Susan Soonkyu Lee" according to the California Birth Index. (LINK: http://www.californiabirthindex.org/birth/susan_soonkyu_lee_born_1989_19290280). Hopefully it's something? Tibbydibby (talk) 16:43, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Sunny's Birth Index?
I found information on Sunny in the California Birth Index, but I'm not sure if that's really Sunny. The middle name is "Soonkyu", the birthday (Month, Day and Year) MATCHES EXACTLY, but the name is "Susan Soonkyu Lee" and I'm not sure if Sunny's mother's surname is "Park". Also, the location is NOT Los Angeles, California... but Orange County, California. Would it be appropriate to edit the birth information (name and location) with the information I found on the California Birth Index?

Source: http://www.californiabirthindex.org/birth/susan_soonkyu_lee_born_1989_19290280

Thanks. Also, if anyone wishes to edit the information for me, that would be great.

Tibbydibby (talk) 16:48, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Alias/Nickname
As User:Shinyang-i pointed out to me in Key's Talk Page, there is no need to add, in this case "Sunny", to the alias box since her stage name is already the main focus of this page. Tibbydibby (talk) 21:02, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with The 2nd Drawer
This song article has very little information and could easily be covered in a couple of sentences in Sunny, the performer's article. Per WP:SONGS, few songs merit articles of their own and per WP:NSONG, a song has to have generated significant discussion in secondary sources to be considered notable. This article has only one reliable secondary source. There has to be enough prose content (beyond listing dates and stuff like that) to create an article of good length. Shinyang-i (talk) 05:14, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Simon (talk) 10:18, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Person Name - Sunny aka Susan Soon-Kyu Lee is an unreliable and incorrect source
Someone did a random search and decided that an unverifiable source was the correct reference for this person's name.

The source used is editable and addable by anyone with a free account.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VGDP-H4V

is the link to the editor's source and it is an open user editable site it is not the direct archives of Orange County, California and it is not a copy of that official source.

The NAME should be reverted and locked to its original until a verifiable and recognized source stating otherwise is available.

Lee Soon Kyu ... this is the name she goes by in a variety of sources including business conducted with SM Entertainment and MBC Broadcasting of Soul Korea.

come on fan girls lets not play games here.. if you have an actual source offer it if not then use the name that she goes by and the way she spells it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZippyTheChicken (talk • contribs) 6:03, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The original source I used was the California Birth Index actually. The Family Search reference replaced all the California Birth Index sources for some reason. But both are Governmental and the name "Susan Soonkyu Lee" matches the original source. Tibbydibby (talk) 22:51, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Nationality
Seeing as there has been several back-and-forth regarding whether she should be referred to as "American" or "Korean", it should be clarified that Sunny moved from the US to Kuwait then South Korea at a very young age - she has remained there since. While her nationality is not confirmed by reliable sources, the precedent has been set for many such celebrities that were born in a country different from the one they are active and permanently residing in, with unclear/unconfirmed nationalities: see articles for Nicki Minaj, Bruce Willis, Mila Kunis, Isla Fisher, etc. While "American-Korean" would be the most accurate, it has somewhat awkward syntax. The next option then, "Korean" alone would better reflect her permanent residence and professional activity, and follow the precedent more than "American" alone. 2600:1700:98B0:8390:0:0:0:27 (talk) 09:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * "While her nationality is not confirmed by reliable sources". That sentence should be the end of it, she was born in the US, therefor we know for a fact she has US nationality. We have no such confirmation for her possible Korean nationality, and as such it should not be added to the article.DragonFury (talk) 11:10, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Dragonfury, there's no contention for American birthright citizenship and unless there's evidence she has acquired Korean citizenship, it is not correct to say Korean. Evaders99 (talk) 20:55, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Understandable, however looking at the given examples as well as looking at any other public figures with unconfirmed or ambiguous citizenship, the overwhelming majority of them are labeled under both countries in question. Just to take one example of many, Nicki Minaj is referenced as "Trinidadian-American", even though her questionable citizenship actually made headlines recently amongst political debates about legal immigrants and the such. 2600:1700:98B0:8390:0:0:0:47 (talk) 06:24, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Romanization of her birth name
Regarding the recent edits; the source appears somewhat legit, but I have doubts about the romanization used in the source. Looking at the versions used in the new source, most names in there are standard romanizations of known people, but I also see Kim Hyo Yun used for Hyoyeon and Choi Soo Yeong for Sooyoung. Romanization of Korean names is an inexact science at best, but I've seen neither of those used in any legit source I can remember. On top of that, Sunny was born in America, so surely the actual registered name at birth should take precedence here? DragonFury (talk) 20:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Refer to Talk:Im Yoon-ah. The same discussion of the same source in question is being discussed there. Hence, you're right the actual registered name at birth should take precedence instead. And of course, the romanization was wrong as the editor which edit this page and Yoona page referenced the name from the image source in which Yoona surname is listed as Lim and is previously discussed back in 2017 in her Talk page, the conclusion is to use Im instead. Hence, in conclusion I oppose the change of her name from Soo-kyu to Soo-gyu and her registered birth name should tak precedence instead. – Paper9oll | Talk:Paper9oll 04:51, 9 December 2020 (UTC)