Talk:Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II: Lovers Again

Title of this show
Please note that this particular show does not follow the convention used for all of the other Macross shows. As the box cover shown on the page very clearly shows, the title is "Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II: Lovers Again" (or "Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II: The Movie"). Please do not move this title again. --nihon 17:19, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, the current US DVD cover doesn't say the first title. The current US DVD cover has an abbreviated title (no "The," "Lovers," or "Again"). The full title, The Super Dimension Fortress Macross II: Lovers, Again, follows the previous convention and is written on previous LD and DVD releases, including this one:

http://product.bandaivisual.co.jp/web_service/images/b_image/BCDR-0256.jpg


 * It's similar to the reason why The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love? is listed in Wikipedia under that full title instead of the abbreviated "Super Spacefortress Macross", "Superdimensional Fortress Macross" or "Macross: Do You Remember Love?"—the names written on several other official releases. — Egan Loo 04:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * That's the Japanese release, not the US release. Using the Japanese DVD cover does nothing to support your point. If you look at the US cover, it clearly says "Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II: The Movie", so if anything, that title should be used if you want to be a stickler about it. Endlessly reverting everything I do is just plain stupid. Here's the link to the US cover:


 * Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II: The Movie


 * --nihon 09:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep in mind that the full original title of The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love? doesn't appear on the US releases either, so by that tenuous line of thinking above, one would also insist that the title of that Wikipedia entry be reduced to "Super Spacefortress Macross" or "Macross: Clash of the Bionoids" (as several English covers "clearly say").


 * http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000F4U0/qid%3D1133262621/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-3524249-4181607


 * http://www.macrossworld.com/macross/video/mvc-019s.jpg


 * On a side note, "The Movie" is just a title add-on to indicate the US compilation--it wasn't used previous to this, and is no more part of the original title than the recent "Indiana Jones and the" Raiders of Lost Ark: "Chapter 24" release. We should be aiming for the full original title, not the later abbreviated or adapted titles. Egan Loo 11:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II is the standard for most releases. Macross II has been dubbed, we use the American title. DYRL hasn't had an official American release.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.102.248 (talk) 14:20, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Interesting Note
Heres something a little odd during the lunar festival or what ever you can clearly see up Wendy Ryder skirt as she waves to the crowed before getting in the Metal Siren. 69.14.33.214 (talk) 15:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Show title
The title of this show is "Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II: Lovers, Again" as the box cover clearly shows. Do not change this title. --nihon 17:20, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, the current US DVD cover doesn't use that title. The current US DVD cover has an abbreviated title (no "The," "Lovers," or "Again"). The full title, The Super Dimension Fortress Macross II: Lovers, Again, is written on previous LD and DVD releases, including this one:

http://product.bandaivisual.co.jp/web_service/images/b_image/BCDR-0256.jpg


 * It's similar to the reason why The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love? is listed in Wikipedia under that full title instead of the abbreviated "Super Spacefortress Macross", "Superdimensional Fortress Macross" or "Macross: Do You Remember Love?"—the names written on several other official releases. — Egan Loo 04:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * That's the Japanese release, not the US release. Using the Japanese DVD cover does nothing to support your point. If you look at the US cover, it clearly says "Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II: The Movie", so if anything, that title should be used if you want to be a stickler about it. Endlessly reverting everything I do is just plain stupid. Here's the link to the US cover:


 * Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II: The Movie


 * --nihon 09:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * <bigCan we all agree that the mutual title is: Super Dimensional Fortress Mcross II and not "The Super Dimension Fortress Macross II"?
 * Keep in mind that the full original title of The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love? doesn't appear on the US releases either, so by that tenuous line of thinking above, one would also insist that the title of that Wikipedia entry be reduced to "Super Spacefortress Macross" or "Macross: Clash of the Bionoids" (as several English covers "clearly say").


 * http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000F4U0/qid%3D1133262621/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-3524249-4181607


 * http://www.macrossworld.com/macross/video/mvc-019s.jpg


 * On a side note, "The Movie" is just a title add-on to indicate the US compilation--it wasn't used previous to this, and is no more part of the original title than the recent "Indiana Jones and the" Raiders of the Lost Ark: "Chapter 24" release. We should be aiming for the full original title, not the later abbreviated or adapted titles. Egan Loo 11:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm fully aware that "The Movie" wasn't part of the original English title as I used to own the original English release from US Renditions. I picked it up almost as soon as it was released. If you want to go with the full original title, it should be the full original official ENglish title, as used by US Renditions in the first official English release. You can check out one of the original covers here:


 * "Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II"


 * If we always used the English title provided by the Japanese company that produced the show, we'd have to really wacked out titles. A much better method is to use the official English title as used by the licensees. --nihon 16:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The catch with its US releases is that they used its abbreviated title. The first, original, uncensored English edition of The Book of One Thousand and One Nights still used the popularized adapted, abbreviated title "Arabian Nights," but Wikipedia lists this work under the original title instead.


 * Fortunately, Macross projects are one case where the original English titles are more consistent, more complete, and (in the instance of the first movie) less "whacked out" than their abbreviated, adapted titles. Egan Loo 19:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Speaking of "Arabian Nights", the real original titles is "The Book of the Thousand Nights and a Night", at least according to the very old copy I have. --nihon 20:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Macross II Mecha
The Mecha section would be best served if it were given an article entirely devoted to it. This section is currently a reasonable size, but it's lack of specifics invites more submissions. There are so many different mecha in this series, along with so much background information, that it would dwarf the main article.Wsxoknqaz (talk) 04:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Japan-only media
Note: Related discussion can be found here.

Eaglestorm and Dandy Sephy,

As per WP:MOS-AM, ''This section can include, as appropriate, separate subsections for information on the original version of the work, as well as any related anime series/OVAs, manga, novels, movies, video games, and other media (such as soundtracks and drama CDs). These sections should, in general, include the original release / broadcast information (as applicable), and English license and release / broadcast information''

As per WP:NPOV, I am not attempting to "remove the information that you feel is unimportant." Wsxoknqaz (talk) 04:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Just because MOS-AM doesn't say something, doesn't mean it should automatically be removed. it says include, that doesn't mean you have to exclude other stuff. I really don't understand why you are using NPOV to argue for removing non english material, surely thats the opposite of what it is for? And you can't argue undue weight because its only a passing mention. You clearly are removing information you personally feel is unimportant, because we have plenty of quality content that talks at length about non japanese media, it's pretty essential we do on Anime and manga content to provide a proper overview. Dandy Sephy (talk) 03:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * as well as any related anime series/OVAs, manga, novels, movies, video games, and other media note that it does not say ONLY English released media. Excluding parts of the franchise purely because it was only released in Japan is, quite frankly, ludicrous. It is a Japanese series and medium. ALL high quality anime/manga articles include an overview of all related media, not just the English released stuff. Doing otherwise is biased, and lacking in neutrality and giving appropriate total coverage. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * As per WP:FIVE, please note Wikipedia's code of conduct regarding "sweeping generalizations." As for my "removing information that you personally feel is unimportant" and being "biased", I actually have an extensive collection of Japan-only Macross II merchandise because I do consider it, and the information about it, to be of importance.  My interpretation of WP:MOS-AM was that it established objective standards for merchandising, not subjective standards.  Therefore, I removed information that did not meet those objective standards, even though I personally appreciated the information, pursuant WP:NPOV. However, it appears that my interpretation is not correct or is simply unpopular, so I will acquiese. Wsxoknqaz (talk) 04:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Rename this to Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II
This is the common title, the episodic release includes "Lovers Again" (no comma) while the movie version has "The Movie" either way "Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II" is what appears appears on the title screen on both the movie and OVA and the cover of the official releases. "The Super Dimension Fortress" (which imho is incorrect anyway, the "The" part shouldn't exist it is unofficial and Japanese doesn't have a word for "The" so no yacking on about "Wikipedia thinks translation is superior to official English title") is not on any release. Just because you all like consistency doesn't mean you can use a wrong title. Star Trek Generations is sometimes called "Star Trek VII" to be consistent with the six films before it, doesn't mean you use it here. --88.104.110.110 (talk) 15:33, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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