Talk:Super Junior/Archive 1

Info
Kibum is inactive so don't put him name in active members. Zhou Mi and Henry shoud be in Super Junior M chinese members not in Korean official group, this could mistake who come wiki search information.

General Information
Editing in process


 * Guys... do you realize that this article is suppose to be encyclopedic? This article is a mess! I've been trying to edit this article to make it more broad and neutral - omitting the parts that are unnecessary and adding more verifiable sources - but you guys keep on reverting my edits. Why? Darkreason (talk) 00:21, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Pictures
Can whoever's doing the pics PLEASE add the promotional photo copyright tag??? Thanks... SKS2K6 22:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh my god, Tokawaii uploaded the images AGAIN without tags. mirageinred 23:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Can the main profile picture be changed to one that has all 13 members in it?

Separate pages for each member?
I just don't like the profile taking up most of the pages; there are 13 members after all. mirageinred 17:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know who'd warrant a separate page, other than Kim Hee Chul (cuz he actually has some acting work under his belt) and a few others.... SKS2K6 06:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I made one for Han Kyung. He's pretty active too. It seems like the profile section is way too big for this article. I'm hoping that the section can be removed eventually. mirageinred 03:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea...but it'll take a lot of work. Anyone up for working on 12 more? Eek.


 * The thing is...I'm not sure if that alone meets wikicriteria. Like, if Han Kyung did solo work or something, then yeah, but just appearing on variety shows?....  And some of them are just on Super Junior.  Oh, and if you want to make a separate page, you should wikilink the names. :P SKS2K6 07:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, he is a public figure. And I'm not sure if I can make 12 more pages either. Maybe just the ones that are particularly active, like HeeChul or something. And by the way, the page for Hankyung is pretty short, and I would definitely appreciate some contributions. mirageinred 17:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, after creating page for Hee Chul, I'm not sure if I can make 11 more... Contribution to Hee Chul is always welcome by the way. By the way I removed the profile for members who already have a separate page which kinda changed the layout for this page. mirageinred 19:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Any more pages I should create? I must admit, though. I don't know any other members besides Hee Chul and Han Kyung. mirageinred 21:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I would think Ki Bum deserves his own page, too. He's been in a few dramas, just like Si Won and Heechul. East.sea 00:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I dare you to start one. Sorry, but I don't know squat about Ki Bum, but I'll contribute if you make one. mirageinred 01:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
Most of the them are way too unencyclopedic. Deletion? mirageinred 05:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * DO IT :D SKS2K6 09:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. It's much messier compared to some other articles. Most of them are gossips such as releasing of albums. Let clear the mess. --E.R.P. 13:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Please tag the images
Please read the wikipedia policy before you upload any of the images. If you don't they are going to be deleted. Instead of uploading new pictures in place of their deleted ones, it's going to be MUCH more convenient if you just tag them. mirageinred 13:14, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Stop putting fansites onto external links
Unless they're official fanclubs, website, or significant in any way (i.e. lyric translation) they should not be on external links. mirageinred 21:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

You can upload fansites if they have extensive info of course, but please don't use forums, sites that require rich media, or inaccesible sites as external links. mirageinred 16:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

By the way cyworlds are deleted too. Cyworlds should not be used as links unless mandated by the article itself. mirageinred 14:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Fansites are not accepted, as they are not references to the biography of the group, and they are not reliable references. Moreover it will cause fan cruft in this page. Only the official website is accepted. Therefore I am removing it.--E.R.P. 13:09, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Are images necessary?
When there's already picture of Super Junior that labels each member, I'm not sure if we really need them. Plus, they don't have tags. They will be deleted eventually. mirageinred 00:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Attention
PLEASE do not alter this page unless you understand how Wikipedia works. I'm not saying that I know everything, considering I also just started a few months ago, but for example, birthdays are written as is because they should be wikilinked to the appropriate page. Also, members with solo pages do not have the info written on this page because the solo page has the relevant info. SKS2K6 02:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you. mirageinred 16:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Remove hobbies?
Hobbies sound like trivia in disguise to me.. I also don't get the point of listing blood types... It all sounds like fansite stuff.. mirageinred 15:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes. It's pointless.  It wouldn't be in an encyclopedia, unless it was noteworthy for being so odd or something.  Oh, and I think that since we have the group image, individual images aren't necessary......  (PS Why does this page have so much drama? :P) SKS2K6 07:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Blood types I actually understand because Heechul is oftened riducled jokeingly about being AB which is supposed to mean he is odd. (Heechul is more popular for his personality lately then he's talent) That's why I think Blood Type was mentioned. It's much more popular in Asia then English speaking countries that whole "Japanese Theory of Bloodtype personalitys" 72.185.31.157 22:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Why are the awards being removed?
Just asking. mirageinred 03:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * never mind. I must be going blind. mirageinred 03:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding External Links
I'm sorry I have to write again about this, as it has already been discussed, but for these kinds of articles, only official sites and neutral sites should be linked. By neutral, I mean sites that aren't for or against whatever the topic is. For example, on Mariah Carey, many nonofficial websites are linked, but these are sites that give some neutral data/information (her filmography is the subject of one link; the others are mostly biographies). Wikipedia is not the place to hype up your own site, nor is it the place to put links for forums and fansites. Yes, it's true that they don't have to be official, but for example, juniorsource.com is a fan forum and contributes nothing to the article. Sure, you can link to perhaps a forum topic inside juniorsource that has a full biography on these guys, but other than that...it should be avoided. Please fully read Wikipedia's policy on external links (especially "Links normally to be avoided" and "Sites requiring registration") before commenting more on this. Thanks. SKS2K6 05:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

How can we clean up this page?
The cleanup tag has been placed on Super Junior for awhile now. How can we cleanup? The only suggestions I can come up with is to have reliable sources accompany any future edits and remove any unencyclopedic facts from their profiles. Someone brought up that the profiles look stolen, but it hasn't changed much and I don't know how I should change it.. mirageinred 22:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Should profile just go away?
Seriously, it just clogs up the page and it's just a series of bullets. Someone already said that it was stolen (see above) before, and I'm beginning to think whether profile should be kept or not. mirageinred 22:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it should be done in paragraph form, or list form. Half the information on the profile is trivial (such as weight), and that stuff should be deleted, but I believe that there should be some info on the members, because this group is notable in part for having so many. SKS2K6 00:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Just three members to go. mirageinred 23:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. mirageinred 23:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks dude. That's intense. SKS2K6 01:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. But some of them are not active as others, so the paragraphs are really short, barely having anything more than their birth name and birth date. mirageinred 01:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

fansites are allowed now.
I read the new External links policy, and fansites, if they're well-made and full of information, are good to go. SKS2K6 01:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought fansites were always allowed if they had useful information? But still, we should have as few external links as possible according to the policy. mirageinred 02:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * They were, but were discouraged. Now, they're semi-encouraged. SKS2K6 02:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Even though if it's full of information, but how reliable is the information? Information from fansites may not be accurate due to the fact that the news are not written by SM Entertainment themselves and therefore it's not reliable. You wouldn't want to see a fan site on an encyclopedia. Therefore it's not encouraged --E.R.P. 13:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Generally, no. But if there's a thoroughly relied-upon fansite (there are a few out there), then there's no reason not to put them in.  But it's really rare.  (Keep in mind my previous comment was from more than three years ago.) SKS (talk) 17:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

constantly removing criticism..
I want to know the reason for this. Their singing ability or lack thereof received enough publicity to be mentioned in the article. mirageinred 00:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thai?
Why is there a string of Thai at the top of this talk page? Ytlow 10:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Good question. I can't read what it says so I wasn't sure whether I should have removed it or not. mirageinred 20:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Sub group
Super Junior has Super Junior K.R.Y. so shouldn't the SuJu page mention Super Junior T. T? Because Super Junior T. T is of 6 members of Suju


 * I'm thinking this section really needs a clean-up soon. Maybe a section for only sub-groups (and NO, DRYS2K is not an official sub-group, it's just a song they did for the H.I.T. OST) with Super Junior KRY and Super Junior T as sub headings. And all other post-debut, ie, car accident and just a line mentioning the date of creation of sub-groups. The details of the sub-groups should be noted in their sub-units? Htruc 00:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If Super Junior T becomes successful, then we could create a page dedicated to the sub-group. mirageinred 01:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Super Junior New Project
Recently They had Build New Project Of Super Junior

New Project Name "Super Junior Drys2K"

Super Junior Drys2K Sung Soundtrack Of H.I.T Drama opening name "Success" and ending Name "H.I.T"

H.I.T Drama is a Series Of SBS Genre Searching Of Secret Muder...(I'm can't use enlish well enought)

Member Of Super Junior Drys2K is Donghae,Ryeowook,Yesung,Kangin,Kyuhyun and Sungmin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.113.51.7 (talk) 11:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

Car accident
I know basically almost every Super Junior fan knows about the car accident. But don't you think everything should be cited. For example, Lee Teuk's also might need to be referenced, like how many stitches he got (100 stitches), but references are going to be needed. EunHyuk and ShinDong released out of hospital should also be sighted. There's a lot more too. But almost all the reliable articles are Korean, and I'm not. So I don't know where the information comes from exactly. Thanks! Htruc 23:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree, there should be more infomation about the accident.


 * For those of us who are not Super Junior fans this is an extremely painful section to read. As Htruc pointed out there is not a single English language citation for this section, which runs contrary to WP:CITE guidelines for Non-English sources in English pages. Also, the word 'car' is not mentioned in that section a single time.  What kind of accident was this? Not only that but it is extremely poorly worded and in just seven sentences the phrase 'accident occurred' appears three times, certainly not employing repetition in an effective literary manner. I recommend that this section be removed entirely until it can be cited properly and copy edited so that reading it does not cause ulcers. BJ Crowning (talk) 07:52, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


 * In an effort to try to reach consensus on this issue I will not move forward with deletion of this section until some discussion has been had, or time has expired beyond the point where it seems like anyone else is interested in contributing. The fact of the matter is that this section is downright awful and from my view cannot be salvaged. BJ Crowning (talk) 18:29, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I support the deletion. I am sure that this section is encyclopedic information but anything on wikipedia needs to be cited by proper sources. Or we can remove unsourced part of the section and add the rest (the sourced part) to the history section in one or two lines. Farjad 0322 (talk&#124;sign&#124;contribs) 01:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

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Sources and page bloating
I can see how sections like the car accident relate to the group, and I can see how if there's been a lot of controversy, yes, there should be a section about it, but a majority of the article reads like a newspaper, as opposed to an encyclopedia. Can we tighten it up and get some more sources for most of the information? Also, the Notes should become reference-tagged or in-line text, not a weird, untemplated section on its own. Nique talk 04:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Endorsement Products
Do we honestly need a list of endorsement products? It all seem like someone's just putting it there to say that Suju is popular. It's the same with TVXQ as well. If no one objects to it, I'm going to delete the endorsement products on both the pages soon. 206.40.103.158 16:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Good point. It's may be excessive information by this point. mirageinred 21:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Make page for Don't Don single
please make a page for the Don't Don single as soon as it comes out please, i won't be able to find any reliable sources as i cant read Korean which means i won't be able to translate the articles which wikipedia takes for granted Blkeddie! 03:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Suicide info not helpful to article
The blurb on the suicide of the young girl is not relevent to the article on the band. It may belong in a page about the fan club. There is no interaction between the band and girl leading to her suicide except for a photo mentioned. I'm deleting the section as gratuitous- if someone wants to move it to a fan club article, feel free. Epthorn 06:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC) Where is the girl suicide infomation? What does that have anything to do with Super Junior?

Another Lip-Sync Problem
I rewatched the episode of Popular Song (Inki gayo) on SBS when Super Junior made their Come Back with Don't Don on Sept. 30th, 2007... maybe it's me, but either Super Junior can AMAZINGLY imitate the album version in person, or they lip-synced that performance as well. 2 weeks later on KBS2's Music Bank K-Chart, they performed Don't Don again but this time they had visible microphones and you can hear them singing and it sounded WAY different than when they first performed on Inki gayo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdcxVNGsgms (Inki gayo performance in question) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0uHaLiJyf0 (Music Bank performance non-lip-synced)Xatticus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.251.204 (talk) 23:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Please tell me how that at all contributes to the article, also please get the right comeback performance, their first performance of Don't Don was on the 21st, not the 30th, which was performed live. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydowUZoDj5E (21st perf.)  The performance on the 30th was lipsynced but every act does it every now and then. Even DBSK so it's not a huge deal. So really what does your comment have to do with the article? Ourdestiny 19:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think the lipsynching is notable enough, as other groups do it. When they first debuted, it was a problem, and it's noted as such.  But now, they've shown that they can sing (well enough), and there have been no real problems with it, so I don't think it should be put in the article. SKS2K6 (talk) 19:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The reason why their lipsynching problem was mentioned in their article was because they lipsynched while performing on a music program that guarantees ALL LIVE peformances (For example, KBS Music Bank and MBC Music Core are programs where you are required to give live performances) and this piece of information made it to the news. Popular Songs is not a guaranteed live music program, so they can lipsynch in Popular Songs without getting criticized. Most singers that perform with heavy choreography lipsynch on Popular Songs anyways (including the "talents" BoA, TVXQ, etc...) and not just Super Junior. Their lipsynching is obviously not a problem anymore. ZRM (talk) 21:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

influence and impact
Despite the fact that this entire article is pretty much modelled almost exactly off the S.H.E article, I have a few qualms about the Influence and Impact article. When I wrote the I&I section for the S.H.E article, especially the part about the boybands, it was to show that girl groups before S.H.E were pretty much destined for failure. On the other hand, in this article, all it says is that, okay, SuJu is a boyband, and boybands like DBSK were already successful before SuJu debuted. The i-13 sentence that comes after has nothing to do with Super Junior's influence considering they debuted at the same time. Unless, of course, i-13's label was sending secret spies into SM to steal their idea for a 13-member band. My qualms about "influence" extend to the lead where they say that SuJu influenced groups to branch out. Groups, like Shinhwa, have been doing this for years (esp. Eric). Pandacomics (talk) 05:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

On Writing about Super Junior
Please, do not add anything that are not confirmed or have no sources. Only write those events that has happened, not those information that are not confirmed or have not happened yet. Things such as Ryeowook mentioning the recording of the fourth album, leave it to the fan sites. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. --EveryRoadPay (talk) 12:52, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Awards section
Why the awards section has been removed? It is a prominent feature in articles of other label mates like Girls' Generation, Shinee and f(x). Thanks in advance. --Farjad0322 (talk) 05:44, 26 May 2010, Wednesday (UTC)

Han Geng
Didn't he left the group? 143.200.225.110 (talk) 02:50, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes he did, but SM Entertainment never released a proper official statement about his permanent contract termination. We cannot remove his name from the current members until we have properly cited reliable sources that he have permanently left the group. Also, most of Super Junior fans, their fans are very bad at mathematics, do not appreciate removal of his name from current members and create pointless edit wars. How their fans are bad at maths? Well, they say Super Junior + E.L.F = 1 whereas it is actually more than 10,000. :P Farjad 0322 (talk&#124;sign&#124;contribs) 09:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Following the Dec 2010 news that the Seoul Central District Court ruled in favor of Han Geng against SM Entertainment. There's been a bit of an edit war going on within the last couple of days on the membership of Super Junior and Super Junior-M, including a user adding a note asking that his name not to be included in the current member list on the basis of the court ruling. However SM Entertainment also stated that they will file an immediate appeal to reverse the decision and have yet to release official statements regarding his status. Therefore following the rational as stated by Farjad0322 as above, the list should be not be changed just yet. I have rewrote some parts with neutral wordings and the note to encourage disscussion on reaching a consensus to avoid further edit wars. Also the consensus of this disscussion would apply to the Super Junior-M list too.--Michaela den (talk) 13:10, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

well, still. his contracts are terminated with immediate validity from the seoul central district court. that actually gives him the status of 'no longer affiliated with suju'. just because SM Ent said they would file an immediate appeal, doesn't mean that he's part of suju at the moment. speaking technically and practically he is no active member, nor an artist under SM Ent anymore. you can, of course, wait til any kind of further official information is given out, but the idea behind wikipedia is having up to date information and not fandom based biasness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.157.218.131 (talk) 23:06, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Since the matter regarding Han Geng and S.M. Entertainment has finally been resolved according to reliable South Korean news sources Naver and 10asia, it is no longer a matter of opinion whether Han Geng is a former member of Super Junior or not. It is now fact that the courts have already ruled in favor of Han Geng no longer being part of the group and S.M. Entertainment amicably agreeing to it. This information has been reflected in the article. Paultaele (talk) 05:06, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

So shouldn't he be listed in the "Past Members" section? Darkreason (talk) 02:52, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism threat
please do semi-protect the article. There are several unsourced parts here. Dominichikaru (talk) 15:50, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * (Non-Admin response)Padlock-dash2.svg Not done: requests for changes to the page protection level should be made at Requests for page protection. Monty  845  17:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * As Monty said, you need to go to rfpp--Jac 16888 Talk 17:45, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Anti
A facebook Anti group is currently PLAYING with this page. This is childish, wikipedia is here to inform, it's not a game. Even if you don't like an artist, you have to respect them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DooWayne (talk • contribs) 12:45, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Super Junior's positions in the group.
I know this has been a cause for edits so can someone help to clear things up? Such as: Is Kyuhyun's position really the lead dancer? Wasn't the lead dancers in the group : Eunhyuk, Hankyung, Donghae and Shindong? Also, why is Kangin the Lead Vocalist? The Lead Vocalists are: Yesung, Ryeowook, Kyuhyun(K.R.Y) and Sungmin. Thank you! KpopLover1019 (talk) 03:14, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: I'm getting sick of editing the main article again and again because someone or some people kept insisting that Donghae is the lead vocalist when he's just the main vocalist. So, I'm just going to list their positions that I'm sure of.Leeteuk: Leader, Vocalist, Rapper(unsure). Heechul: Visual, Vocalist, Rapper(unsure if it's sub-rapper or rapper). Hankyung: Vocalist, Lead Dancer. Yesung: Lead Vocalist. Shindong: Lead Dancer, Lead Rapper, Vocalist(Shindong has very little singing parts). Sungmin: Lead Vocalist, Lead Dancer. Eunhyuk: Lead Dancer, Lead Rapper, Vocalist(Very little singing parts) Donghae: Main Vocalist, Lead Dancer, Rapper. Siwon: Vocalist, Visual. Ryeowook: Lead Vocalist. Kibum: Main Rapper(or Lead Rapper. Not sure). Kyuhyun: Lead Vocalist, Maknae. (He is DEFINITELY not the Lead Dancer.) KpopLover1019 (talk) 07:29, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually, to get your head straight, MAIN > LEAD for vocal/dance/rap when it comes to the weight the member lifts in the respective category, so Donghae is therefore a lead vocalist, and Kyuhyun is INDEED a lead dancer starting from Vol. 4. Most of what you have up there are wrong. I'm actually wary about rather to put the POSITION column in the member section or not because people keep on changing them because they don't have the definition correct. But to list them here: Leeteuk: Leader, Vocalist, Rapper Heechul: Vocalist, Rapper Hankyung: Lead Dancer, Vocalist Yesung: Main Vocalist Kangin: Vocalist Shindong: Main Rapper, Lead Dancer, Vocalist Sungmin: Lead Vocalis t, Lead Dancer Eunhyuk: Main Dancer, Main Rapper, Vocalist Donghae: Lead Vocalist, Lead Dancer, Rapper Siwon: Vocalist, Visual Ryeowook: Main Vocalist Kibum: Lead Rapper, Vocalist Kyuhyun: Main Vocalist, Lead Dancer, Maknae — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathylulu (talk • contribs) 06:54, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Who are the main/lead rappers of SJ is rather unclear because there isn't much rap in SJ songs (especially the title songs), so you have to go into subgroup songs (T&H) to get a better idea, but still, I feel it's rather unclear.

Reply to @KpopLover1019
What I think is (I'm not will be "bias" I'm will be indifferent to who I will talk).

Main>Lead Main Vocalist>Lead Voaclist> Vocalist>Sub-vocalist

Main dancer>Lead dancer

Main rapper> Lead rapper> rapper

Yesung was choose by SM ent to be the main vocal and Eunhyuk the main dancer and rapper.

Before Hangeng left the group the Main dancer was Eunhyuk and lead dancers were Shindong, Donghae, Hangeng and Sungmin

After Hangeng left the group Kyuhyun replaced him in lead dancer.

Many people said that Donghae is main or lead vocalist but is not, who say that is who "bias" him or some people mistakes him/herself because Donghae appear singing many time comparate to the others.

For who don't know exist only one "Main" for each skill (vocal, dance and rapp). So only exist one "Main" for vocal skill that represent all "leads" vocals and one "Main" for rapper skill that represent all "leads" rappers and one "Main" for the dancer skill that represent all "leads" dancers.

So:

Leeteuk: Leader, vocalist and rapper

Heechul: Vocalist, rapper and visual

Hangeng: Vocalist and Lead dancer

Yesung: Main vocalist

Kangin: Vocalist

Shindong: Sub-vocalist, lead dancer and lead rapper

Sungmin: Lead vocalist and lead dancer

Eunhyuk: Main dancer, main rapper and vocalist

Siwon: Vocalist and visual

Donghae: Vocalist, lead dancer and rapper

Ryeowook: Lead vocalist

Kibum: Vocalist and rapper

Kyuhyun: Lead vocalist, lead dancer and Maknae

15:03 / 2012, 4th September


 * We must go by the book here. Let's look at B.A.P's member positions: B.A.P. All are referenced. The rule is simple: Good references are needed to add position information, in fact any information, in this or any other article. Personal analysis is not enough; in fact it is not allowed and it is considered original research. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Reliability Issue
Seems like this page is questionable in Neutrality. Supposedly, Wikipedia articles should be neutral and should not be made on a FAN point of view. It seems like a 70% of the article is unreferenced which makes it questionable for reliability. Please add sources on every information you add, or if you don't get any reliable source then better remove it or not include it or raise it on the talk page so someone can find sources. And of course remove tabloid-like issues, this is supposed to be encyclopedic. jmarkfrancia (talk) 16:04, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I restored a Well-written version.(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Super_Junior&oldid=475580069) Puramyun31 (talk) 06:20, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Good. Now, the article is better. I suggest you put this on the Semi-protected/Full-Protected articles to avoid vandalism and revertion of edits. jmarkfrancia (talk) 13:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Are Super Junior Donghae & Eunhyuk official subgroup/unit?
I think that's Donghae & Eunhyuk are a duo subunit, cause they already recorded a studio song at Super Show 3 Album, named "I wanna love you" and they always do duets at concerts,and before they record "Oppa, Oppa" they were made ​​official by SM, someone from SM says, “We’re inspired by the two keeping in step at the Super Show 4 concert. They were in a perfect harmony. So we decided to form the special sub-unit as a special year-end gift to reciprocate the continued support and love from fans.” http://en.korea.com/superjunior/news/donghae-and-eunhyuk-form-a-special-sub-unit-from-super-junior/, they promoted the song on tv shows without other Super Junior members, and now they released a "Oppa, Oppa" single in Japan, the subunit KRY never released any single. They Music video is named  Super Junior Donghae & Eunhyuk_Oppa, Oppa_Music Video , in the MV "HAPPY HOLIDAYS" from Henry and Amber they band's name aren't at title,further the cover of korean single is SUPER JUNIOR DONGHAE+EUNHYUK, also the japanese version is SUPER JUNIOR DONGHAE&EUNHYUK, I think that's the duo will continue recording songs cause they are childhood friends and the super junior members are shrinking. The characteristics of the duet comparing "i wanna love you" and "oppa, oppa" is that Eunhyuk participates as a main vocal (this is rare with Super Junior and his subgroups), and Donghae do the raps half-a-half with his partner (Donghae isn't a lead rapper at Super Junior, only in Super Junior M), further they are good dancers, but I think that's now they will continue recording retro/disco songs. The duo need be listed in the Subgroups's category of this article but so far don't need a create new article about them, like Super Junior-KRY, At internet the subgroup have many names like:
 * Super Junior Donghae+Eunhyuk
 * Super Junior D&E
 * Super Junior D+E
 * Donghae & Eunhyuk
 * Donghae-Eunhyuk
 * EUNHAE, etc, but the official dup name is "Super Junior Donghae&Eunhyuk". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.55.40.55 (talk) 00:45, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * But Super Junior Donghae & Eunhyuk do not have an official website, and S.M. says they're a "special" subunit, which means that they're only temporary. K.R.Y doesn't have an official website, but they are consistent in releasing music and they had their own concert tour. Unless D&E release more music in the future consistently under that name, they shouldn't be called an official subgroup. Darkreason (talk) 04:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 April 2012
I would want to request the revision of the article Super Junior, specifically the 'Members' part. I firmly believe that Ryeowook and Kibum should be switched, because, from what is obvious, the list is from the oldest to the youngest. Ryeowook was born on June 21, 1987, while Kibum was born on August 21, 1987. That stated, Ryeowook is two months older than Kibum. I am hoping for your action about this. Thank you, and may God bless you. =)

PS. This is the list I am suggesting. Current members

Leeteuk – Leader, Vocalist, Rapper Heechul – Vocalist, Rapper Yesung – Main Vocalist Kangin – Vocalist Shindong – Lead Rapper, Lead Dancer, Sub-Vocalist Sungmin – Lead Vocalist, Lead Dancer Eunhyuk – Main Dancer, Main Rapper, Vocalist Donghae – Lead Vocalist, Main Dancer, Rapper Siwon – Vocalist, Visual Ryeowook – Main Vocalist Kibum – Lead Rapper, Vocalist Kyuhyun – Main Vocalist, Lead Dancer, Maknae

Iamaprocastinator (talk) 12:02, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Padlock-silver-slash2.svg Not done: is not required for edits to semi-protected, unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages. elektrik SHOOS  (talk) 23:34, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

STATUS & Current/Past Members
The reason Super Junior's member section is not separated by "Current Members" and "Past Members" is because both SJ&ELF hold on to the 13 belief, even it is obviously that with the lawsuit in 2010, Hankyung is no longer a member of SJ.

But no matter it is possible for SJ to be 13 again or not, it is a part of an ELF's identity to hold on to the 13 belief, and it is a part of SJ's identity to carry on the name of SJ in the honour of 13 members no matter how many members are left. And with that, I think it is necessary to have a STATUS column in the member section instead of the current/past members thing that other groups' wiki pages have, so the info is clear and complete.

Most of the status are pretty self-explainatory, but I'll explain the 4 that people might find confusing.

Heechul:

Yes, he does have a radio program right now, but the radio program is only a part of his PUBLIC SERVICE, he is NOT allowed to have any other "unauthorized" activities aside from this radio program in the duration of his public service, so he is therefore marked as "temporarily inactive".

Hankyung:

I thought of marking him as "inactive" or "retired", but either of which quite make sense when the column is simply titled "STATUS". While he is inactive/retired as an SJ member, he is still very much active in the entertainment industry as a solo artist. So I decided to mark him as "solo" instead, or else newbies might actually mistake it as Hankyung is no longer working in the industry.

Kangin:

Even though he was released from the military in April and we are all sure that he will be participating in SJ's upcoming Vol. 6, but there still isn't any news or official statement regarding him starting activities or his involvement in Vol.6, so for the time being, Kangin is marked as "temporarily inactive".

Kibum:

There hasn't been a lawsuit or an official statement that would put Kibum in the same category as Hankyung. So even though the Kibum&SJ situation is unclear, it is still the most fitting to mark him as "absent" than "solo".


 * Fingers crossed that people would actually read this before messing with my edition.

Kathylulu (talk) 15:25, 31 May 2012 (UTC)Kathylulu


 * RULE NO 1: This is an ENCYCLOPEDIA... Not your fan - website... We do what is official and NOT what girly ELFs "want" to think... Fans are always delusional... If fans want to hold on to the 13-believe shit, they should do it on their own fan pages... Not here on an encyclopedia... FudgeFury (talk&#124;sign&#124;contribs) 21:40, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I have a doubt
--- Why their birthday is delete each time that I put?

I already put 2 times the birthday of them but it's always delete and it's a bit annoying I had that hard work in put each birthday and in short time someone delete.

--- Why their image profile doesn't change?

The image profile must have them all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elfbluesapphiresuju (talk • contribs)


 * We must go by the book here. Let's look at F(x) (band)'s member birthdays: F(x) (band). All are referenced. The rule is simple: Good references are needed to add position and/or birthday information, in fact any information, in this or any other article. Personal analysis is not enough; in fact it is not allowed and it is considered original research. Δρ.Κ. λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις 21:09, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Birthdays are mentioned on their website which happens to be a primary source according to wikipedia guidelines... besides its most authentic because website is of the group itself... So we should cite the official website profile page for the birthdays... <font face="Papyrus">FudgeFury <font color="Cerise">(talk&#124;sign&#124;contribs) 22:09, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If you can find the birthdays on the official website it would be ok to use the info in the article. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις 02:53, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for explain me, now I understand. elfbluesapphiresuju

Disography
Can I know if exist some problem in "Discography" be in "boxes"? I think that is more accessible understand in "boxes".

Members
Hangeng should be in "Former Members" not in "Inactive Members", he left the group and SM in 2009, he is not innactive, innactive is like Kibum is, he is former member. I understand that for fans he is keep belong to Super Junior but let's be neutral, this is a wikipedia not "fanweb" so who contribute for wikipedia have to be neutal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heartpink123 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Reply

I Totally agree. Some users insist in put Super Junior former member Hangeng in innactive members, but he is not innactive is a former member because he finished the contract with Super Junior Entert., the opposite of Kim Heechul and Kim Kibum, that still in SM Entert.

"Innactive" is about members that will or not be active some day in the future. "Former" is about members that left the group and finished their contract with the Entert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcss453 (talk • contribs) 15:12, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

This is one of the reasons why Wikipedia is bad for sources, in this case, considering this group attracts a very young audience, they will all over this site everything they seems suit them. Hangeng is infact NOT a part of Super Junior any longer, please put his name under the appropriate headings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.189.209.110 (talk) 11:08, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I've advice many times about Hangeng issue but some users continue put Hangeng as a Super Junior member. The new thing now is: Leeteuk and Heechul beeing military members, which has no sense. Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcss453 (talk • contribs) 22:51, 25 Novemer 2012 (UTC)