Talk:Super Mario Sunshine/Archive 1

Music
also, i believe the music credit is wrong. unlike an impressive number of nintendo games, kondo-san didn't do all the music himself, but had help from a second composer. i could be wrong.


 * I just beat the game. The credits, under music, list "Koji Kondo" and "Shinobu Tanaka", so I updated the page. --AshyRaccoon 09:24, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

Not the latest anymore
Not sure if this is correct or how to rephrase it, but with the recent release of Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, wouldn't SMS no longer be the latest console game in the Mario series?


 * The Mario RPG/Paper Mario series is a spinoff series. SMS is still the latest "pure platformer" Mario game. Nifboy 04:49, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I say The TTYD games are credible as main forays in the series. It's just a different genre. -- A Link to the Past 13:11, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

FLUDD
There's no need for a full section on FLUDD, it has its own article. --Pagrashtak 13:38, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


 * We could have a small article and a "Main Article" message at the top...RememberMe? 21:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Enemy pages
I don't think seperate pages for all the enemies is necessary. Can't you just include them in the main article, or make a new page to have them all in? [Ragey]
 * Seperate pages make sense, since many of the enemies are shared across different Mario games. -- Grumbel 16:42, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Grumbel. Sometimes articles are required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.202.127 (talk) 22:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Packaging Suggestions
Can we put the game packaging for the US/Japanese verisons on the bottom of the page? -- User:Thief Lord 15:02 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Criticisms
"It is often stated is that Nintendo missed many opportunities to rectify this; for example, despite the game's tropical theme, they failed to include a water level, which would have been a definite break from the rest of the game."

The term "water level" is pretty ambiguous. From what I remember, there were several "water" levels. In particular the level where there's a bay, and the poluted water level with the cliffside.

Can anybody please write in the yoshi part of the page how to get him? i mean i think people should know and i also don't know how toUrena198 21:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia and Glitches
I submit that these belong in Wikibooks, or elsewhere - but not here. Any thoughts? Andre (talk) 22:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Wholehearted agree.  Pagra shtak  22:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Is there a reference to the phrase "L is real" in this game, because I heard you find it somewhere in Delfino, but I never found it? I'm the L is real 2041 guy in these parts. It's definitely in more than just SM64 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.202.127 (talk) 22:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Too much criticism
I don't understand the point of such a long "Criticism" section, detailing every problem everyone could ever have had with the game. Very few game articles ever go into such a ridiculous amount of detail about the things people disliked in the game, and that section is just nitpicking - never mind that SMS IS a high quality game and it's unfair to bring up complaints and criticism that stands on pretty weak ground. I get that some people didn't like the large amount of change FLUDD brang, and some people disliked the lack of variety, but a lot of the rest of the criticism is unnecessary. A lot of it can be removed, and the section changed into more of a "Response" or "Reviews" section like many other games get, also citing more of the positive aspects of the game from sites that reviewed it very highly (of which there were a lot). --Impossible 07:31, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

68.36.206.250 19:06, 15 April 2006 (UTC)Doesn't Super Mario Sunshine have a 2 slippery thingies you have to beat? One orange and red, one brown and white?

I finished changing the "Criticism" section to "Reception" (I agree; the section looked like it was written by the Gamespot reviewer). It may be a bit awkward to read, but I'm new to the site, and anyone who doesn't like it can modify it.The Legend of Miyamoto 02:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Phrase Removals
Sorry not to log in, but this is emerald2000. I've changed ''Il Piantissimo, similar to koopa the Quick of Super Mario 64, you must race II Piantissimo to a flag to achieve your reward. Not considered a boss by some, though he technically fits the definiton. He appears to be a short, dark-skinned, goateed man wearing a vest and purple shorts, shoes, gloves and a Pianta mask. This description also fits the Running Man from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and the Postman from Majora's Mask. We all know how popular masks are in Hyrule, don't we...? ''

To

''Il Piantissimo, similar to koopa the Quick of Super Mario 64, you must race II Piantissimo to a flag to achieve your reward. Not considered a boss by some, though he technically fits the definiton. He appears to be a short, dark-skinned, goateed man wearing a vest and purple shorts, shoes, gloves and a Pianta mask. This description also fits the Running Man from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and the Postman from Majora's Mask.''

Because of ne relivance.

Goombas in Sunshine?
The article's enemies-section mentions Goombas, but I do not recall seeing any Goombas in this game. Do you think the writer may have gotten it mixed up with Koopas? Or is there a Goomba somewhere in the game that I've missed? (user:HannuMakinen)
 * The Goombas' page does not mention Sunshine so I'm just gonna change Goomba to Koopa. (user:HannuMakinen)

Actually, I was confusing Goombas with Puff widjets, same difference really

I think Goombas could have been beta enemies, like that weird banana guy.(Crystalespeon 19:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC))

I remember him. I thought goombas were in the game. I remember seeing them... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.202.127 (talk) 22:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Glitches
I'm pushing for this section to be removed. This isn't encyclopediac content and would probably be more appropriate at Gamefaqs. Its also horridly written and unsourced. -ZeroTalk 16:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * But then there's a broken link at Blue Hell. Son of a Peach 18:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Innuendo in the game
Believe it or not, there is sexual innuendo in the game. At the end of Pinna Park, episode one, there is a very questionable cutscene. Shadow Mario reveals his real identity: Bowser Jr. And apparently, Bowser made Bowser Jr. believe that Princess Peach was his mother. Even though this seems questionable, Bowser Jr. disproves it at the end of the game.

--Plainnym 17:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

this makes me laugh a lot, I feel it's imprtant to note, that before bowser jr. mentions bowser, and he calls peach his mommy, peach says "so your bowsers son." Despite the fact that she is terrible at recognising people and teeling people apart. earlier in the game, she mistook shadow Mario for Mario, oblivious to the fact that the real mario, isn't blue and shiney.

Also bowser's face when Bowser Jr. says "I know, she's not really my mommy," It's sort of a "Oh.... yeah! that's what I was going to say! face!"

although I don't think it should be mentioned on the page.
 * Zoophilia? Bowser is not an animal. Son of a Peach 18:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Well he's not human, is he?

Also--"The only known boss that was used in its first beta versions is a giant walking banana-like enemy that spurts paint out of the top of its "head". When ran up to, it will run into a pit, where its "weak spot", the top of its head, will be exposed. By jumping on it, the banana enemy will shrivel up, then explode." Does this sound suspiciously phallic to anyone else or is it just me?

Now that youve mentioned it...121.6.108.126 10:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what phallic is but I'm pretty sure I got cha. unsigned comment added by SxeFluff (talk • contribs) 01:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

this is very weird..... i think nintendo should explain themselves... or not what am i even doing here?71.208.44.11 19:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Ending
There's no details on what happens at the end of the game. I think this would be useful. I haven't played it for a while so I can't remember what happens after you beat the last boss and I don't know what happens after you collect all the shines. Anyone able to write that? Ajmayhew 14:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Clean is better than dirty!
While it may not be that important, perhaps this article should also discuss that corny "clean is better than dirty" commercial that played often when this game was released.

Don't forget the Nokis!
There's a part of this article dedicated to Piantas but not Nokis. You see Nokis in the game about as much as Piantas, so someone needs to write about them.

I will

Spoilers and "Prototype"
There are spoilers in this atricle (including the identity of Shadow Mario) that are not marked as such. They should be. It also says that a prototype version "has not been found" and then that a prototype vesion included other human characters. I assume it was supposed to mean there IS a prototype but a copy of it has not been found? Olivix 16:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Could someone show a picture of the Banana creature and the humans?--Rat235478683--

The whole section about 60 vs 30 frames per second doesn't make sense. Standard televisions are only capable of doing 30 frames per second. I think this is getting confused with FIELDS per second or 60i. Anyway, if this game runs at 30 FRAMES per second, its doing the max.

Gooper Blooper
THis is an extremely minor character whose only major appeareance is in this game as one of the eight obsses. Per WP:FICT, I am suggesting that this should be merged. Hbdragon88 23:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't a character list be better seeing as it has made multiple reappearances (although small)? Nemu 23:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I suggest that the Gooper Blooper article get merged into Blooper (Mario) instead.Giantdevilfish 01:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge with Mario series enemies, in the Super Mario Sunshine section. -- Lord Crayak

I guess its true that Gooper really hasnt had a major role in any Mario game except Mario Sunshine and Super Princess Peach, and his role in both games was to be a boss with no dialouge, but maybe in time they will reveal more information on him, just like Petey Piranha who appeared as a simple boss in sunshine but then he was classified as the king of pirahna plants and made more appearances in other games, who knows maybe Gooper is the king of the Bloopers, but if everyone agrees that he doesnt deserve his own article yet then maybe he should be placed in Mario series enemies. 66.50.95.52 01:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm with Giantdevilfish; it should be merged with Blooper (Mario), not Super Mario Sunshine. Gooper Blooper has appeared in more than just SMS and Super Princess Peach, and it will expand the Blooper article, too. Hardcore gamer 48 13:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with Giantdevilfish as well. It really doesn't belong in the SMS article, as it has also been in Mario Power Tennis, and it is still possible (though not exactly likely) for it to make further appearances. Blooper (Mario) sounds like the way to go. -- Luigi Maniac  13:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I guess Giant devilfish is right, Gooper would be better suited in the Blooper article. 66.50.95.182 17:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

There's honestly nothing to talk about outside of their respective roles as minor characters (Blooper only appears in about 5 levels in SMB). There is plenty of precedent for merging minor characters into the game of their most major appearance; i.e. Patsy Ramsey redirects to JonBenét Ramsey because her notability is directly correlated into the death of her daughter, nothing more. Arguably, Gooper Blooper is pretty much only notable as a boss in SMS, which is why I was setting up the proposal to here instead of Blooper (Mario). I may go to AFD with Blooper as well. hbdragon88 00:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, I just merged it into the Blooper article. That's good enough for now. Nemu 15:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Why were the characters and areas sections removed?
Why were these sections removed? They were perfectly reasonable and hardly "game guide" encyclopedic contenet. If Pianta and Noki aren't covered in this article, then they should have their own pages back, as they have no longer been merged into the article. Oh, and where is the consensus for merging Pianta anyway? Henchman 2000 18:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It appears that the Noki article was merged per Votes_for_deletion/Noki, but Pianta was incredibly merged by User:Nifboy only 13 minutes after adding a notices.--Bobby D. DS. 05:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Successful good article nomination
I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of October 21, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:


 * 1. Well written?: Pass
 * 2. Factually accurate?: Pass
 * 3. Broad in coverage?: Pass
 * 4. Neutral point of view?: Pass
 * 5. Article stability?
 * 6. Images?: Pass

A great article. Well written, with many cited references. Well done! If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations. — Ejg930 03:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Minor change
I have adjusted a bit the Reception section, now it looks more presentable. --190.198.116.212 (talk) 16:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I appreciate what's been added here. --Bishop2 (talk) 16:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Second best-selling GameCube game?
In this source it indicates Super Mario Sunshine sold 5.5 million copies and in this other source it states that "Super Smash Bros. Melee is the best selling GameCube title ever, with over 6 million copies sold worldwide..." So there is no source that says Super Mario Sunshine is the second best-selling game on the GameCube and the List of best-selling video games article can't be used as a source as Wikipedia articles can't be used as sources. --Silver Edge (talk) 23:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you know of any GameCube game that has sold between 5.5 and 6 million copies? If not, then Super Mario Sunshine is the second best-selling game for the GameCube. And I'm not using the Wikipedia article as a source, I'm using its references. The Prince (talk) 12:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * How about we use this source, and rather list SMS as the 10th best-selling game of 2002? The Prince (talk) 13:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be better. It should state that it was the tenth best-selling game of 2002 "in the United States". --Silver Edge (talk) 06:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Added ref. The Prince (talk) 15:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I have added a reference for the sales numbers, as when the previous source was deleted due to the text change, they were unverified.--Twicemost (talk) 19:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Original research
I have removed the statement about Delfino being a reference to the GameCube code name because it is original research. Please provide a source if you add it back. FightingStreet (talk) 15:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That you are right about. Not the other thing, though. The Prince (talk) 15:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Please assume good faith. Just because I do something doesn't mean I do it to piss someone off. FightingStreet (talk) 15:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I am assuming good faith. I appreciate your constructive edits, but not the ones that are made out of spite. That is bad etiquette. The Prince (talk) 15:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Rating
Probably someone else posted this already, but the presentation image (that of the infobox) should be replaced, as it shows the RP symbol (which was put before the game's release) and not the official E symbol. --Twicemost (talk) 23:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
Some insane guy deleted the Reception section. We must do something against this.--201.242.1.193 (talk) 22:23, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I fixed the article for myself (but I had to copy and paste the lost text from the history action, I could not just undo the bad edit as the damn vandal saved a lot of times his/her atrocious changes). If this continues, I will go to ANI to make the report.--200.71.178.2 (talk) 04:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

not notable sources
GameCritics.com, Gaming Age and N-Philes are not considered notable or reliable（see the red link）.The content with no notable source should be removed per Notability andWP:Reliable sources.--43.244.132.168 (talk) 17:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just because they don't have articles, doesn't me they're not reliable. Give me one good reason they're not reliable, because neither you or your sock puppets have given any. The Prince (talk) 07:27, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.202.127 (talk) 22:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Gaming Age and N-Philes show no information on their editorial oversight. GameCritics.com shows no information on their editorial oversight. Demonstrate reliability on the talk page before adding.--43.244.132.168 (talk) 15:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * GameCritics is reliable. user:David Fuchs sent an e-mail to the site's owner, Chi Kong Lui, who said: "...For our reviews and feature articles, [we do fact-check]. We expected our writers to fact-check and content is reviewed by two [other] editors before publication. [...] absolutely, we would post corrections and retractions if errors are found." I'll add that one back in. The others I need to research further. The Prince (talk) 15:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Please tell where the information user:David Fuchs received and written is.--43.244.132.168 (talk) 15:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Since you're the one having problems with the site, you should be the one doing it. I've already shown you that it is reliable, and if you continue your disruptive behaviour, I'll contact an admin and get you blocked. Please co-operate with people. The Prince (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * What are you tailking about? Show the evidence user:David Fuchs received the reply. Stop personal attack and Vandalism and rejecting discussion, or you will be blocked.--43.244.132.168 (talk) 04:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, I agree with anonymous user. What is this "User:David Fuchs has spoken with them and you figure it out"? Prince, you are the one claiming it's reliable; you need to justify it and this is just plain strange. That's not the standard for a reliable source. It looks like a site where people can post their own reviews on games. That's a classic self-published source and approaches a blog really. I honestly don't see how it is reliable at all. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Gamecritics.com

 * The question of whether gamecritics was reliable or not came up on a FAC some time ago, I'm not sure which, it might've been Halo (series). Either way, I sent emails to a bunch of people, I've copied the email below:

I got a reply, from Chi Kong Lui, the owner of the site. I could quote him, but I'm not sure what the legality of that is, so settle for paraphrasing; he said that 1) they've been around since 1999, 2) Their reviews and featured articles are fact-checked, by the editor and writers, and two editors review before publication. Blog posts are fact-checked once, but have no editorial oversight. He assured me that errors are corrected and articles amended and updated with new information or if errors are found.

User:Ealdgyth reviewed the site and left it up to other reviewer deference over use or not. I should not that it depends how the source is being used; if the source is being used to state trivial facts, it's generally easy to replace it with a better one. If it's being used as a review, stating the opinion and publication makes it clear it's one person's opinion and it's generally more permissable. -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 19:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Mysteries
I noticed there are some very mysterious things throughout the game. Look at Peach's outfit in Delfino near the game's beginning. Observe it near the end. Not only in the color several shades darker, but the outfit has undergone many minor (but noticeable) changes. Is there a reason for this? Also, Shadow Mario can be seen from a point in Delfino. While looking across at the miniature island, a dark figure can be seen darting around. This cannot be seen from all angles, I've noticed, but you'll see it if you look. Another interesting point is Bowser's romantic interest in Peach. If you start a save file called "BowserandPeach", and then start a new file, every line from Bowser that contains the word Peach will be in dark pink. All of these things are in the game. Look for them if you don't believe me. Did anybody else find anything? This game is mysterious... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.202.127 (talk) 22:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

 Unfortunately, this type of information is difficult to include in the article for two reasons. The first one is the original research, those details are being noticed by you but, according to the policies, that information needs to be already published on a reliable source. If not, then how can you verify it? The second reason, much crueler, is the notability. In which way this information can improve the content of the article? I know, you feel disappointed, but it is the heartless way Wikipedia works. 148.233.157.234 (talk) 19:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

You can't name save files in Sunshine, so verifying that claim is borderline impossible. 129.67.177.214 (talk) 22:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

In answer to the first comment, the "BowserandPeach" thing is not possible in this game. Maybe you're thinking of another one? I have noticed the dark figure darting around, but can you prove that it's "Dark Mario". I also noticed the change in colour in Peach's outfit, but this may just be a misight on behalf of the game's creators, and isn't really notable. 99.247.244.120 (talk) 19:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)This Name Is Too Long, Isn't It? I Thought It Might Be, But I Like It Because Of It's Length.


 * You've got to ask yourself if it's notable. And the answer, simply, is that it isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.244.120 (talk) 21:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Image Addition
I really think this article should get a Shine Sprite picture, wasn't there one before? FMasic (talk) 12:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

The "Sequel"
Is Super Mario Galaxy an ACTUAL sequel to Super Mario Sunshine. Just because they share similar game elements and were both on consoles does not make Galaxy a sequel. Are there any sources that state Galaxy was a sequel to Sunshine? Harry Blue5 (talk) 10:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Internet Meme
At the beginning of the commercial for this game, there is a kid who sings the line 'The world's a special place'. In May 2011, that beginning bit with the kid became an internet meme, with YouTubers using that clip multiple times, and after each clip of the kid is something bad about the world. Why not mention this? 82.13.79.52 (talk) 06:45, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

First Mario game not to be released as a launch title for a Ninendo console?
"and is the first Mario game to not be released as a launch title for a Nintendo console" Is this quote from the Wikipedia article correct? I didn't think the original "Mario Brothers" and "Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins" and "Dr. Mario" were launch titles, but maybe they were in some region for some specific Nintendo console. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.84.98.122 (talk) 22:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Reception Controversy
I don't like how the game reviewers called FLUUD and Yoshi mere gimmiks that makes me angry >:( 142.166.8.26 (talk) 14:45, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Worst-selling Super Mario game
Guys, I think we will have to update the Reception section because this game, currently, has sold the lowest number of copies in comparison with the other Super Mario games (SMB sold 40 million, SMB2 10 millon, SMB3 17 million, SMW 20 million, SM64 11 million and SMG 6.1 million).--201.242.1.193 (talk) 21:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC) That can't be right. SMW sold 15 million, I thought. And this game isn't the worst selling. I know that one of them is worse-selling than this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.202.127 (talk) 22:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It probably has a lot to do with a) this game not being a launch title and b) the GameCube selling poorly -220.245.253.81 (talk) 03:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey this is nintendogeek did anyone ever notice how that when in luigi's mansion king boo captures mario for revenge for their last fight and mario never fought king boo before? that makes super mario sunshine the prequel to luigi's mansion. Have you ever heard of chuggaconroy on youtube because that's what he said and it makes perfect sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariogeek (talk • contribs) 18:15, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Internet Sources For This Article
Hey I think we can change this unsing a internet Wiki I know of it is mariowiki. Go to www.mariowiki.com and then search super mario sunshine that might get more info especially the use of FLUDD in smash bros. brawl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariogeek (talk • contribs) 18:23, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Legacy Contreversy
For starters, none of the information in this section really has anything to do with a 'legacy' i.e the games impact on the series/industry/world etc... many articles on wikipedia have a 'legacy' section but it helps to understand what the word means.

It might be better to mention the new elements (Shine Sprites etc) in passing, during the main description of the game, and if there needs to be a legacy section, perhaps state the significant changes to the series as a whole, such as the significance of FLUDD (necessary for almost the entire game, for the first time Mario has to rely heavily on what may be viewed as an item or a partner, and the significance of that in relation to other games that have a similar scheme such as Banjo Kazzoie or Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.34.66.14 (talk) 05:08, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Please understand that it is only possible for a Wikipedia article to include what is found in reliable sources. If I decided to write in my pwn content explaining the similarities between Super Mario Sunshine and Banjo-Kazooie, that would be original research. Have you been able to find a source online that discusses these similarities? :)  Salvidrim!    &#9993;  05:19, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Ref idea re: remaster


czar ⨹   11:45, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2016
198.13.144.35 (talk) 18:52, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

This is the first Mario game where Princess Peach wears her hair in a ponytail which would be used in future Mario Kart games and the future Mario Sports games from Mario Kart: Double Dash!! and Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour onward.

I'm not sure if it is worth including on here or on her article.


 * ❌ To be honest this sort of information seems too trivial to be included on Wikipedia. Even if it was noteworthy, a reliable source is needed to back up the claim. --The1337gamer (talk) 18:55, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It is shown in the actual game and no other Mario game beforehand has ever depicted her with her hair in a ponytail before this game.--198.13.144.35 (talk) 19:06, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

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Open world
Why isn't this part of the open world video games category? Super Mario 64 is part of it, and both games are very similar.
 * Because they existed before the term was commonplace, and thus have no sources directly calling them that. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:11, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Not every game with a degree of freedom is considered "open world" anyways. Sergecross73   msg me  12:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

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