Talk:Super Sentai/Archive 1

What's with the Super? lysdexia 14:09, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Answer: The "Super" is used to signify the giant robots and cosmic powers.

Mecha Trivia
In the trivia section, Dekaranger is said to be the first to have a mecha that transforms into a weapon for use by other mecha. I bring up Chojin Sentai Jetman, the 1991 sentai, which had Tetra Boy, a mecha that turned into a cannon that was mounted and fired by their other mecha.

Supaidaman
Shouldn't there be mention made of the tokusatsu Spiderman adaptation's influence on the genre? It seems it's the inspiration that led Battle Fever J to include a giant robot, and all thank to Bandai's pressuring the producer to include a robot so they could sell toys...

What about similar shows
Such as Jaspion, Ultraman, Changeman, etc.

They are not Super Sentai (except for Changeman). They just belong in the tokusatsu genre.


 * Yeah, that's right. What's the problem, though?--Kaonashi 15:42, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Because they aren't Super Sentai? The category is big enough with out cheap spin-off shows being added to it. If you want to add those, create a new article. SS doesn't need to be polluted.
 * Ultraman is his own genre/series. Jaspion is Metal Heroes genre. Ryulong 20:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Choujin Sentai Jetman article
Someone edit the article of Choujin Sentai Jetman, the five heroes are: Ryū, Gai, Raita, Kaori and Ako. Please write the article of Choujin Sentai Jetman.

30th Anniversary Series
A user has posted this question on the Help Desk mailing list:

Couldn't you tell me how official is this info Armored Helmet Task Force Beetle Five is the 30th Incarnation of Super Sentai and will feature an Insect Ranger Team. The new show starts February 2006 in Japan. Is it still a rumor, or the 30th sentai will really be insect-based, and what colours are suggested to apply?

I would be grateful if you could advise me on my talk page so I could reply to the user. Capitalistroadster 10:03, 18 October 2005 (UTC) Someone else update the site to incorporate sentai 30. I keep messing up when I try to update it.

Power Rangers
There is no reason to include any Power Rangers info in this article or any of the individual series articles.

KingConvoy 01:46, 3 December 2005 (UTC)


 * If you feel this is true, then discuss it on the various talk pages rather than deciding you have the right to make that sort of decision on your own. Because there are MANY of us who make sure the information stays there considering it's definately notable and related to the subject matter at hand. In addition, there's no actual 'information' being included about Power Rangers beyond what each series' footage was used for. Perhaps you'd like to go to the Little Shop of Horrors page and remove all references for the two movie releases as well as the cartoon since, using your logic, none of them should be included in the article. Nezu Chiza 02:43, 3 December 2005 (UTC)


 * If people want to know where a Power Rangers series came from then they can go to the appropriate series page. We don't need this kinda stuff on a Super Sentai page.

KingConvoy 02:58, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should go suggest on the Power Ranger talk page that they shouldn't mention Super Sentai in the article then, since anyone wanting to know where Power Rangers came from wouldn't be interested in the source, right? I mean, if you think people looking at Super Sentai shouldn't know what some of the shows became in the US, the reverse must be true. Why would a Power Ranger fan care it came from Super Sentai after all?
 * See how silly that logic seems? Why do you think that having single sentences saying "So and so was used in THIS series" somehow isn't worth knowing? If someone wasn't familiar with Power Rangers, wouldn't it make sense to mention the source? And if someone didn't know about Super Sentai, wouldn't it be nice to be able to tell them that Power Rangers was derived from it? Nezu Chiza 05:20, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, the whole tidbit didn't start out with so many Power Ranger reference. Just saying they're all in different alternate universe. PS: Edit the "first series to have robot upgrade since 2003"... It's not really that long ago--Suredeath 07:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, KingRanger, is that you (KingConvoy)? I understand your love for Sentai and desire to disassociate it with a show you disapprove of, but there are enough people who consider that there's a tie between the two to warrant making at least some mention of Power Rangers in the Super Sentai article. I mean, an article on Shakespeare's plays would likely mention the early "forged" printed copies that only vaguely resembled Shakespeare's words, even if those weren't the original plays and are, in the mass eye, "inferior." That would be my opinion.

No, this is not KingRanger. There are no "ties" between Super Sentai and Power Rangers. I can't fight the masses here who insist on bringing Power Rangers stuff into a Super Sentai article, so theres not much I can do.

Ok, I'm getting annoyed here. I started out saying SENTAI is set in an alternate universe. and someone HAVE to bring power ranger in and get the whole tidbit removed.Suredeath 03:25, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * About the alternate universe comment, for that matter. I'd like to bring to attention that whether the multiple Sentai series or multiple PR series are set in alternate universes is debatable. The more recent Power Ranger shows often include some-sort of vague reference to "previous power rangers" or some sort of cameo, but it also often seems like they take place in a different world. Considering that Super Sentai always have crossovers, it would appear that they take place in some semblance of the same "universe" as well, equally as much as PR. Yes, the first PR series were direct sequels, but that ended a long while back and now interaction is basically limited to crossovers, much like Sentai. Anyway, they're silly (<not a put-down, for the record) super-hero shows, so there doesn't have to be a clear answer. I would ommit any reference to alternate universes for now though.

Is there a reason as to why the article keeps getting cluttered with unneeded and unrelated Power Rangers references? If people want to know where Power Rangers came from, they can go to the appropriate page for just that.

Ya know it's actually not that different to compare. Although the Super Sentai franchise has lasted longer since 1975 with Goranger especialy with 15 series preceding before Zyuranger was adapted into power rangers, it's still logical to explain the fact that all recent power ranger shows are adapted from the sentai series. I mean, if you were to compare the actual differences between both franchises by watching them, you'll only find that most of the sentai shows are taken more seriously where as power rangers tries WAY TOO hard to sink in comic relief humour (which does get very anoying after a while). But The ranger Costumes are the same, the Zord sequences are the same, Even the alien costumes are sometimes the same(what happens is that the Saban studio recieves layouts for the costumes and then are borrowed by the TOEI company for the adaption use) but only differ in story line and have completely different casts for the heroes. Besides if there was no mentioning in the first paragraph, viewers will select one of the links to one of the series and think "hey wait that's from power rangers." So basicaly despite these differences, it's not all that unrelated to mention how the series has influenced the Power ranger franchise; Especialy since it's been following the tradition of all super sentai to continue with another show again and again. Think about this for second? Nathen

Liveman
Hello there! In the same way that several of these shows were a success in Brazil, Peru also had a few on them in television (Japanese animation became a popular subject for my generation over there). During the 90's, I must say that Liveman enjoyed a privilage space in peruvian TV until the Power Rangers appeared. So, I was wondering if I could add the lavel Popular in Peru to the Liveman description. Messhermit 00:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Power Rangers sentence
Why is this even in dispute? It's true that Super Sentai is the source material for Power Rangers, and this connection is why the majority of Americans have any idea what Super Sentai is. This is about encyclopediac quality, and removing perfectly valid, highly relevant information is detrimental to encyclopediac quality.--Sean|Bla ck 23:29, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you. I suggest that the top introduction paragraph should include an explanation sentence describing like saying "The Series is also the basis concept for Power Rangers." Nathen
 * The above discussion is from January. This issue has been resolved for the past ten months.— Řÿūłóñģ ( 竜龍 ) 02:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Protected
Hi, I've protected the page following the edit war. Please resolve this dispute on the talk page. If you are having difficulty I can suggest taking this to the MEDCAB who would be happy to mediate between the parties. - FrancisTyers 23:34, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Disputed
The series' is best known in the United States as being the source material for the Power Rangers series', starting with 1992's Kyoryuu Sentai Zyuranger

This appears to be the disputed part of the article. Anyone fancy giving a source for this? - FrancisTyers 23:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * ,, and
 * all indicate that Super Sentai is the source material for Power Rangers, and that this is the most well known instance of the series in the United States. I have no objection to changing "best" to "well", however.--Sean|Bla ck


 * I don't see the problem with including this well sourced information. KC, do you have a problem with this? - FrancisTyers 00:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

If people want to know where Power Rangers came from, they can go to the appropriate page which is the main Power Rangers article. Having that info in the Super Sentai article is unneeded and just clogs it up.

I don't see what's the freaking deal with this sentence. It got very cluttered when we have a full paragraph dedicated to the differences between power ranger and sentai. But one sentence linking to a power ranger article? Come on, it's just an interesting fact. Suredeath 03:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Right. I could easily pad the intro out with the Power Rangers connection- this sentence is a compromise.--Sean|Bla ck 03:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * There is a section on Trivia, perhaps it should go there, I'm not sure how relevant it is for the lead. - FrancisTyers 11:13, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Distribution
Okay, here's my compromise "Distribuition section:

"Although the series' originated in Japan, they were imported and dubbed in several other countries. Bioman was popular in the Philippines in the 1980's, and multiple Sentai shows aired in Hawaii. due in large part to the previous success of Kamen Rider V3 and Kikaida there. Himitsu Sentai Goranger was also aired briefly in Sacramento and San Francisco, California. Kaguku Sentai Dynaman was dubbed and aired as a parody on the USA Network television show Night Flight in 1987. In 1993, Haim Saban produced the first installment of the Power Rangers series' by dubbing the action sequesnces from 1992's Kyoryuu Sentai Zyuranger and filming new footage with American actors for the story sequences. This trend has continued, with each successive Sentai show contributing the action sequences to the Power Rangers series the following year."

Okay, there you have it.--Sean|Bla ck 01:43, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * So, I think we can expect unprotection within the day, and I'm going to plop this in, provided there are no objections.--Sean|Bla ck


 * Sounds good to me. I'll unprotect the article now. - FrancisTyers 11:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Series tables
Any objection to just scrapping the tables listing the series altogether. I think that this it's purpose is better served by the category and the template. Thoguhts?--Sean|Bla ck 01:43, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section
Trivia is getting very cluttered, I think. Most of the stuffs listed there are already on the table or available on most links in the articles.Suredeath 14:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Uh guys? The whole article is exploding, not just trivia Suredeath 09:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a 30 year old series; that's acceptible. Ryūlóng 09:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, China is 4000 years old, its page isn't this long.Suredeath 09:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * China has several pages about it. This is a popular television series. But right now is not the time to be splitting the article up. There are articles that are much worse than this in length. Ryūlóng 09:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I suggest we either put it in the Sentai Descriptions of the Super Sentai article or we just put in the plot or Trivia section of the individual Sentai articles.... You could also make a Red, Blue, Yellow, etc... Ranger section for each Ranger, so we don't have to worry about the classifications, etc.. taking up so much space, but there'll probably be an entire argument over Ranger/Man as well as people criticizing the color conventions of Super Sentai... Up to you guys... Also I know this is the wrong place to put this, but could somebody replace the Griforzar picture in Zyuranger with an actual Griforzar picture... I don't mind the [abc family] labels on the pictures, but if they're going to put up pictures, at least make sure they're PR clips from Sentai clips... Thank you. 14 October 2006
 * Actually, I'd rather just nuke 90% of the trivia from orbit. jgp TC 20:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Unusual arsenal
In a Carranger scene that I saw in a music video of Nightwish's 10th Man Down (this video had all the Sentai up to Hurricanger), I saw something blue in Yellow Racer's holster while she was wielding her Auto Punisher combined with her CarNavic. What is this blue thing called and what does it do?

Denjiman and Sun/Three Vulcan articles
Could somebody please, please, make English-language articles for Denjiman and Sun Vulcan? I don't know for how long the links have been red, and I don't have the time to do it myself! Kanjilearner55 20:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've personally started Denjiman and Sun/Three Vulcan articles myself, and one of you guys should add to these stubs now. PS: Don't forget to mention that Misa in Sun/Three Vulcan is also White Rose Mask the Pretty Swordswoman! Kanjilearner55 20:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Color and text of color
I would like to edit the color articles in the trivia section so that the ranger colors go with the name of each color, can somebody do it for me, please? I can only go as far as knowing how to do Red, Blue, and Green, and I've made that start already. Kanjilearner55 12:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Chichiranger, Perfectranger etc
I recall these 2 (the porn spoofs/ripoffs of Sentai) used to be featured under "Tributes/Parodies". Perhaps it's inappropriate for them to be there, but surely they warrant *some* mention in here? gssq 19:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

"Overtech Hardware"/"Blastsaurus"
I appreciate this really isn't the best time what with the sheer amount of goddamn drama going on as of late, but I really must make a point about these two translations for Ohranger and Abaranger respectively. If one looks at the [| Japanese Ohranger wiki entry], then there are no references to this whatsoever - the closest thing being "Overtechnology" mentioned briefly in their description. Googling for "Overtech Hardware" brings similiar results - either all referencing this Wiki page in some way, or forum posts referencing it. Is there any basis for this? Would it not be better to, if it is even correct in some form, just leave it as Ohranger and explain the pun on the individual page?

Secondly, translating "ryuu" as "saurus". Not every dragon ends in "saurus". Last I checked, there were an awful lot of dinosaurs that don't end in "saurus", including some in the series itself. This isn't official, it makes no sense, and quite honestly it makes my eyes cry. I appreciate a literal translation would be unwieldy as well, but it would have some more founding than just translating the Japanese (wrongly) and trying to string it into some new word that doesn't exist.

Just some founding for the point, more my style than just blatantly changing them =P Magenta 22:36, 24th June 2006 (BST)

List of Super Sentai episodes
I found this page while going through the contributions of someone who vandalised a group of articles I'm watching. It was apparently first "List Of Super Task Force Episodes", then "List of Super Task Force Episodes". I made the move to "List of Super Sentai episodes" and then tried to fix it up as best as I could. The page needs attention from editors who know much more about Super Sentai than I do. Ryulong 05:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest merging each individual episode list section into the page for the corresponding Sentai series, and then nominating the combined article on AfD. Many series' already have episode list sections. I'd suggest finding Japanese titles and correcting the translations before merging, though--some of those titles have atrocious grammar, and I've seen some movies listed as episodes. jgp (T|C) 06:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I think Magiranger has "Special" listed twice, as well as "Magiranger vs. Dekaranger" listed. But I really don't know how much work is necessary. I'm just lucky I caught it so it's no longer "Super Task Force". Ryulong 06:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

"Squadron" or "Task Force"?
Which is the preferred translation of "sentai" for all uses with Super Sentai? Ryulong 03:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

The good word is "Squadron" 86.195.196.170 10:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

This is opinion. There is no set defination of the word. Most people do use taskforce.

IP Vandalism watch
Please be wary of edits by. He recently trolled and did massive vandalism to the article, as he strongly feels that "Super Sentai is inferior to Power Rangers". Ryulong 20:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Also watch for edits by. This editor has been inserting spam links to a City of Heroes Supergroup with a Sentai theme. Barely any CoH SGs are notable internationally, the closest is the CCCP, because they were featured as part of a news clip on TechTV. Ryulong 09:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

One other user who's edits that need to verified is since that users edits are not only sometimes deconstructive but also I had to rework mecha descriptions in both Denji Sentai Megaranger and Ninpuu Sentai Hurricanger that was a direct violation of copyright from other sites namely Sentai Galaxy and SuperSentai.com. I also believe that this user also used other copyrighted information such as on most of the descriptions of the Londarz prisoners from Mirai Sentai Timeranger aside from a few descriptions that I wrote myself in my own words. If anyone has a chance to I would appriciate it. -Adv193 23:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've tried to contact that IP user before. He does not leave edit summaries or answer responses on his talk page. Most of his edits are constructive, but if it's Copyvio, then we'll have to find someway to deal with him. Ryulong 00:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Since I have looking into Sentai sites since for a long time it wasn't that hard for me to tell they were copyrighted and also for further proof when I had to rewrite the Galaxy Mega's profile for the Megaranger page I also put the Copyvio info on that pages talk page and if you look at it then you should notice the stiking resemblence to the descriptions of the Sentai Galaxy's Megaranger page. Also the reason why I mentioned that this user needed to be checked for unconstructive edits was where I had to intervene was when that user added the personal weapons to the Sentai characters page but for some of those pages such as Gaoranger, Megaranger, and Hurricanger it included deleted the descriptions of those weapons such as the Falcon Summoner's description which I worked so hard to write in the first place. -Adv193 00:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * All I know is that he also edits pages under Power Rangers as well. There were recent edits by an (unrelated) editor at Power Rangers: Mystic Force that he attempted to fix, but was overly unhelpful (somehow another IP editor reverted). I think I've placed each of the various  templates on his page. I think his edits are a complex form of vandalism in this case. Ryulong 00:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This user also edits Pokemon pages as well and was previously responsible for adding all the know attacks for the Pokemon of anime characters until it was deleted by a registered user as unneccessary and I will admit that I occasionally keep an eye on this user to check all the pages within my knowledge range in order to determine the whever that edit was constructive. -Adv193 00:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe I will make a mention on WP:AN/I for this IP user. Perhaps they can think of something, as well. Ryulong 00:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay and anyway I done explaining everything I know about this user and I'll be happy to see how this goes. -Adv193 00:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've made the post, which is currently at the bottom of WP:ANI. If you think I missed anything, feel free to add to my commentary. Ryulong 01:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I find this crap to be very freaking insane since Sentai Galaxy Page, the page I used to work with, was never official. Sentai Forever maybe but not that page. And just about every single site has the same description for the sentaiat least till Wiki gained populatrity.

By the way, will anyone mind if I added the original titles to the sentai series I know? For example, the rumor titles, plot premises, etc compared with the finished product? Or do I have to least every single source? Some of the ones I know like Hurricanger-Boukenger are on printed sheets for around the net and don't have official press releases dued to my source not giving me full premission to post it.


 * What do you mean by "the original titles"? You mean the titles used during pre-production? That could go into a new trivia entry, if that's what you mean. Ryūlóng 20:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I mean Japanese titles in THE JAPANESE context but I seen its already being done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.80.117.31 (talk • contribs)
 * I'm fairly sure that has been done to begin with. Unless you are the user who changed everything to names that are not used on Wikipedia. However, your contributions show that you might be someone who is introducing a hell of a lot of Original research into wherever you go; claiming you have contacts. Unless you have proof about anything involving these "original titles" things that perhaps I could view, then leave it off of Wikipedia. Ryūlóng 23:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Child Type List
Isn't Heart Queen's the Child-Type? Here are the ages of JAKQ-


 * Spade Ace: 23 or 22
 * Diamond Jack: 25
 * Heart Queen: 18
 * Clover King: 23
 * Big One: Possibly 29 or 30 —Preceding unsigned comment added by TyrannoRanger (talk • contribs)
 * I think it's going by personality and not age. I can't really read Japanese, but that appears to be the reasoning behind the classification. Ryūlóng 01:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Power Rangers vs. Super Sentai
What if there was actually a crossover between these two? It could happen cuz they're not exactly the same ya know. Well I did this video to prove it. Here ya go.

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Based on this pic I also made a while back (same name).

Link removed

Enjoy! henshinagogobaby 01:29 AM, 06 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I can understand your interest in the subject, but talk pages are for collaboration into improving the article. Not for promoting ones work or ideas. If you would like to suggest ways on improving the article, then please do so. Ryūlóng 05:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Real japanese titles
Me, i know the real japanese titles of Super Sentai series. 86.195.196.170 10:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But they are listed here. Himitsu Sentai Goranger, JAKQ Dengeki Tai, etc. Ryūlóng 21:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

i'm good in japanese as well, if you need song lyrics.
 * Song lyrics are not allowed on Wikipedia. They are copyrighted. Ryūlóng 23:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)