Talk:Super Soaker

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Untitled
Shouldnt it say that most if not all of these guns loosened over time and leaked water on the user? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.158.199 (talk) 08:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I think this is a great page and shouldn't ever be deleted.

The title of this page needs to be changed to "Super Soaker", but it says I have to be logged in. I am! Can anyone else move it to that title?

Done. -- Jwinters | Talk 17:31, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks!

"Mainly, the gimmick behind the Max-D line was an angled nozzle that, when holding the body of the gun level, pointed the stream at a 45-degree angle, which technically maximizes projectile distance but is fairly useless for any sort of gun." - I haven't noticed any such mark on a Max-D gun. Indeed, I thought the primary differences were the Max-D trigger and no check valve - but I may be wrong. LightningStrike, can you help? --Andrew Spinner

Okay, someone altered it, so it doesn't matter too much now, but I might put something in about laminar flow.

Guys, guys. This page is ridiculous. It's practically an ADVERT for the SuperSoaker range. Wikipedia is supposed to be a neutral encylopaedia, and this page makes it look more like a forum for people's opinions. -- Cpl. Gaydar

CPl. Gaydar, I completely agree. I've edited this page several times in an attempt to get it less biased and more correctly worded. But someone keeps changing it back (maybe it's Hasbro!) Martianshark (talk) 21:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)martianshark

It's hardly an advert when it openly criticises many Super Soakers. It's not exactly very enthusiastic about Hasbro's efforts in recent years. -- Andrew Spinner.

Come on, it's an article on water guns. I absolutely adored reading this article, and while it may not be normal encyclopedia fare, neither would most encyclopediae contain... articles on water guns. ^_^

Is it really fair for this page to be placed in the 1990s fads category? Andrew Spinner 11:36, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I think it indeed reads rather like a forum: opinions are either inserted outright, as if fact (and if they are fact, undemonstrated), or they're introduced by weasel words. If these can't be sourced or referenced in any way, better to drop them, I think. Alai 03:57, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Biased?
This page seems biased to me, and a lot of the information is incorrect. I've edited this page several times, but someone keeps changing it back to the original, incorrect statements. It's practically an advertisement for Hasbro, and I'm kind of suspicious Hasbro is the one who keeps changing it back. For example, they keep comparing water guns to real guns and nerf guns. Since water guns are nothing like other guns, there shouldn't be any comparisons, except possibly to other water guns. Also, they don't mention anything about how water war enthusiasts are unimpressed with the most recent guns, and have resorted to other companies, such as Buzz Bee Toys. I have been studying everything about water guns for several years, and know what I'm talking about. Martianshark (talk) 22:09, 18 March 2012 (UTC)martianshark

super soaker range
"...allowing them to shoot water with greater power, range, and accuracy than conventional squirt guns." What does "greater power/range etc" mean? 5m? 10m? 100m? There is no actual numbers on this page. --Janto 10:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

No, correct English would state that there "are" no exact numbers, not there "is" no exact numbers. To me, it is implied that different Super Soakers will have different distances. I think that any set range would be debatable. [comment by 68.66.21.96]]

I see CPS 2000 has (albeit conflicting) range information on that specific class of super soaker. It would be interesting if this page at least had some information regarding range. --Janto 22:55, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

More Generic
A lot of the imformation on this page about the mechanics of water guns could be applied to many brands of water guns. Super Soaker is the best, but it's not the only good one. Perhaps a more generic article about water guns in general could be created. 12-15

I agree. There is a whole set of water blasters distinct from squirt guns. All lot of the technical information in this article could be transferred to a more generic article. Then we could break it down by brands, then by series, then by models. Ultor Solis 00:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Grammar
How can something be "originally invented" ... as opposed to "unoriginally invented" ??? Redundancy bugs me... But I don't know enough about Super Soakers to edit anything else in this article... Philosopher Torin 06:53, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't read the article, but it probably means "first invented". It is, in fact, possible to invent something that has already been invented, provided you don't cheat. [- Andrew Nagy] 68.44.13.236 23:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

"the online soaker communities"
You're kidding me, right? Krupo 06:00, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

What?Andrew Spinner 17:51, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

They exist. See http://www.sscentral.org/, http://www.isoaker.com/, and the like. Remember, this is the Internet. -Toptomcat 13:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Revised for brevity.
Please save the really gory details for supersoakerfans.com. A comprehensive catalog of the technical specifications of every Super Soaker ever made is not encyclopedic. PatrickFisher 10:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, I have the SS 100, SS 200, XP 15 and CPS 2500, myself, and fond memories. But this is an encyclopedia. PatrickFisher 11:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Oozinator and Artic Shock
These aren't model ranges, but rather models from the SoakerTag Elite and SoakerTag lines respectively. I don't believe they belong in that list - does anyone else have an opinion on this? If not, I'll probably remove them. Andrew Spinner 08:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, move them. Ultor Solis 00:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Banned
Does anyone have info on these being banned? About 10 years ago, schools and even cities banned these; it was the "our kids are in jeopardy" craze of the time. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 10:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I remember our swimming pool banning them. Grisly stories of "some kid" getting hit in the eye and the eye popping out. Pure rubbish, no doubt, but almost all of the fads had a legend like that associated with them at some point. Remember Teddy Ruxpin's hair-chewing scalping action? Or how Slap bracelets were supposedly shivs in disguise? Then there were Blue star tattoos... -Fuzzy (talk) 01:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That was because the kids with them had infinitely more fun than those without or those whose parents didn't want to shell out for the latest thing. I ended up having to wear a riot face shield for water gun fights because aiming for the eyes was the standard tactic. I think the only way it could've been made more painful and humiliating was if they'd filled them with grapefruit juice. So yeah, the "some kid" story is completely believable to me in this case.--70.240.101.87 (talk) 12:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

mods after product line
the product line is distinct to Super Soakers and should probably be above the modification section which is less central to the topic and can probably be applied generally to most water blasters.

Recent edits regarding popularity of product line
I felt kind of bad deleting it since it looks like the (anonymous) editer really did care about the subject, but everything in the edit was POV and lacked citations. Now, if data could be cited showing that the changes in the product line have changed the popularity in given demographics... -Fuzzy (talk) 12:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Modifications -> Aperture Removal
"This enables the user to unleash a large gob of water over a range of ~2 meters, depleting both water and pressure in about as many seconds." - about as many seconds as what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.210.84.88 (talk) 18:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * As many seconds as meters. English. 174.35.247.117 (talk) 20:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Lonnie Johnson given too much credit
Johnson is the only one cited in the Super Soaker's invention, yet the patent is held by both he and fellow inventor Bruce D'Andrade. It was D'Andrade who tooled the entire mechanism for the Super Soaker and was commissioned alongside Johnson, yet Johnson takes all of the credit in this article and many outside (much more biased) articles. This information is publicly accessible by researching patent US5074437 (http://www.google.com/patents/US5074437). I have re-added this information to the article. D'Andrade's name is even already sourced in the source given, yet his name was previously omitted for some reason. 174.35.247.117 (talk) 20:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The patent you linked is a refinement of the existing Super Soaker. The original Super Soaker patent was filed by Johnson only.--Frmorrison (talk) 17:21, 22 August 2016 (UTC)