Talk:Supercar (car classification)

Those disgustingly rich people are quite picky, aren't they?

How much of this is actually true? It seems like much of it is opinion as there is no such thing as an actual set of rules for what a supercar is. Plus, much of the writing is very unencyclopediactic (a supercar must be so fast it is suicidal?). I'm putting a bunch of tags on it so hopefully someone who knows more about cars will fix it. maybe i can get my brother to help me. Bonus Onus 23:29, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Rewrite
This article badly needed a rewrite, which I have now done. I have attempted to keep the intent of the original writer while removing the POV quality of the writing. Please discuss and comment so we can remove those warnings at the top... --SFoskett 19:15, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)


 * i must say that the original article was better. i'm reverting it. this is a subjective definition. the person who wrote the original article obviously knew what they were talking about. why change it?--Alhutch 02:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * here's the thing. the article that you guys put out had no teeth. there was really nothing to it. the other article was beautifully written. it had plenty of characteristics. it had style and grace. the new one was just no good.--Alhutch 02:47, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I have to say the person who wrote the original article didn't really know what they were talking about. It was a strict interpretation of something that no one really agrees on. For example, who says that there can be only one supercar per company? (btw that is not what "super" means in latin, it means "above", which just refers to the high performance of these cars) I didnt read the rewrite yet but i suspect anything is better than the old version. -Bonus Onus 03:35, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, i read the rewrite, and i dont particularly like it, but i still think its better. Hopefully we can build on it a bit and improve it, so i recommend going back to the rewrite. Bonus Onus 03:40, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * Ahutch - the original was POV, poorly written, and just plain wrong. I strongly object to the revert and request that you re-revert it and edit it if you feel it needs work.  As it stands, it is just plain opinionated junk.  --SFoskett 13:30, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

the question is, who really knows what the qualificiations for a supercar are? there's no textbook about it. how do we know the truth?--Alhutch 18:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * That's why I attempted to write an article calling out the general qualifications without being POV and opinionated like the current article. This is an encyclopedia, and the current text simply cannot stand.  --SFoskett 19:30, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * Agree with User:Sfoskett- His rewrite was very good, IMHO. The article as first (largely) written, besides being POV and unencyclopaedic, is flat-out ugly and hard to read because it's poorly formatted.  The previous article also seems to set up too many rigid definitions, some of which conflict.  They need to be vague and open, but still give the reader an idea about what a supercar is.  I'm reverting it because it's trash as it stands.  Prometheus235 20:21, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

there's a show on the history channel called automaniac. its hosted by bill goldberg. tomorrow's (wednesday the 15th) program is about supercars conveniently enough. its at 10:00 US Eastern time. i plan to watch. maybe this will give us some answers.--Alhutch 23:48, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Über-wagen
- The first supercar was the Mercedes 300SL Gullwing, that one probably introduced the concept. 300SL was a crazy car, ten year old WWII fighter aircraft technology transplanted onto 4 wheels.

- I still think there one be only one supercar model manufactured per brand any given time.

- Currently there is big buzz and grinding of teeth about the latest BMW M5/M6 models. These 510bhp V10 cars are said to be beating Ferrari F430 and Porsche 911 bi-turbo badly, even though the BMW is almost twice as big and heavy and it cost less than half. Because the performance gap is cosing, it is pretty obvious that only the most outrageous cars can still be considered worthy of the supercar title. What is so super about your F430 when it gets passed by an almost bus-sized sedan? You truly need a Murcie or an Enzo or a Saleem or a CCR to get rid of the M5/M6.

- It is a shame that NSX gets even mentioned. There is some reason why Japan is the largest collector of vintage Ferraris (originality I mean).

Units
In the USA, "pounds per horsepower" is much more common than "horsepower per ton". I have included both, and kW/kg just for good measure... --SFoskett 20:26, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)