Talk:Supergrass

Yet Another AMG Copyvio
(Sigh) Yet another music article that has to be removed and begun from scratch because it was ripped off from the All Music Guide. See the link Here's the old article, 75%+ of which matches word-for-word the AMG bio:

Supergrass is an indie rock and Britpop band from Oxford, UK. Currently the band consists of brothers Gaz and Rob Coombes, Danny Goffey, and Mick Quinn. Like many other British bands of the '90s, Supergrass' musical roots lie in the infectiously catchy punk-pop of the Buzzcocks and the Jam, as well as the post-punk pop of Madness, the traditional Mod Rock of the Kinks and Small Faces and the glam-rock of T. Rex.

Biography
Emerging from Oxford (and to a certain extent Wheatley Park School)in the early 1990s Supergrass were formed out of the ashes of indie underage underachievers The Jennifers. While most other people their age were in bed at a sensible time in their jim-jams Supergrass members Gaz and Danny were becoming faces on the Oxford indie music scene.

Perhaps because of their age &mdash; two of the trio were still in their teens when they recorded their debut single &mdash; the band also brings in elements of decidedly unhip groups like the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. With youthful enthusiasm, Supergrass tied all of their influences together in new surprising ways, where a Buzzcocks riff could slam into three-part harmonies out of "Crocodile Rock," or have a galloping music hall rhythm stutter like the best moments of the Who, including traits from the common pop-punk era, characterized with fast, three-chord guitar based and catchy tunes, found in then-contemporaries blink-182 and Green Day.

The band released their first single, the semiautobiographical "Caught by the Fuzz," in the summer of 1994 on the indie label Backbeat; Parlophone signed them and reissued the single in the fall of the year. "Caught by the Fuzz" generated a significant amount of buzz, including praise from Blur and Elastica. "Mansize Rooster," the group's second single, was released in the spring of 1995. It reached the top 20 in the UK Singles Chart, as did "Lenny," which was released right before their debut album, I Should Coco.

I Should Coco (1995) was warmly greeted in U.K. and debuted at the Top Ten. The band's popularity continued to grow, leading to the number two double A-sided single, "Alright"/"Time". After staying in Top Three for a month, the single pushed the album to number one. I Should Coco was released in the U.S. three months later. A buzz began to build there as "Caught by the Fuzz" began receiving MTV and radio play. The acclaimed In It for the Money followed in 1997, and in 1999 the band issued their eponymous third LP, Supergrass, which received a belated American release the following spring.

Three years later the band resurfaced with the acclaimed Life on Other Planets, which gathered very positive reviews and was received warmly in both sides of the Atlantic.

The band's fifth album, Road to Rouen, was released in August, 2005 after a tough period for the band. Goffey had been targeted by the tabloid newspapers for a sex scandal and the Coombes brothers lost their mother. The album is less poppy and more mature and gained mainly favourable reviews although some critics could not accept the change in sound. The first track, "Tales of Endurance", deals with the commercial faliure of last single, "Kiss of Life" (#23). Supporting single "St. Petersburg" only beat it by one place, reaching #22 in the UK chart.

Tritones / Richard III
"The chord progression as featured in Richard III was banned by the Catholic church in the 16th Century for being "satanic".

I'd prefer to replace this with a link to the page on Tritones, if anything. The song only features a tritone in one chord progression. --Ritchie333 15:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Alternative Rock
I don't think Supergrass are an alternative rock band. A lot of their output is very mainstream, hence their chart success. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AaronRosenthal (talk • contribs) 11:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

Which Coombes?
Quote: Supergrass' origins lie in the band The Jennifers, (not to be confused with the American band of the same name), formed at Wheatley Park School, which featured a 16-year-old Coombes on vocals and Goffey (then 18) on drums. End quote.

Which Coombes? Gopherbassist 04:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Gaz, his brother only joined full-time after the first album. Catchpole 13:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Recent years
A couple of statements struck me as unclear in this section. Firstly, "After having finished their year-long supporting tour" - is this supporting the last album or another band? I presume the former. Secondly, the article currently states "they recorded their as yet untitled sixth studio album with Nick Launay in Berlin, on June 13th" - it seems unlikely that they recorded an album in one day - is this when they finished recording or when they started?--Michig 17:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC) I've (hopefully) sorted the first one.--Michig 21:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Cynical Bands
"The album was praised for its joyous, fun attitude which seemed to sum up the "Cool Britannia" mood of the time and was in contrast to more serious or cynical Britpop bands such as Blur or Suede" This is POV and not fact. Even if it is the POV of a number of music journalists, where's the citation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gooneradam (talk • contribs) 17:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right. It had been tagged as needing a citation since November and I have removed it.--Michig (talk) 17:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Cocaine or Cannabis?
In the 'Britpop years and height of fame: 1994–1998' section of the main Supergrass article, it says the song 'Caught by the Fuzz' was about Gaz being arrested for possession of cocaine.

However, in the article for the song itself, it says cannabis was the drug he was in possession of.

There were no references next to the cannabis one, but the reference next to the cocaine one has no mention of cocaine, but simply refers to a 'controlled substance'.

Which was it???Feathery Sunshine (talk) 18:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I've had no response so I just changed them so they both referred to a 'controlled substance'. Feathery Sunshine (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Charly Coombes
Should he be included in the band members section in the infobox and Supergrass template? He has been playing second guitar with the band on tour but isn't an official addition to the band.

TwentiethApril1986  (talk)  03:26, May 24, 2008 (UTC)

How they Met
It would be god to add a How-They-Met Section, just for more info, like they met in high school, or something. Just to add some background info other than the formation of the group. ^_^ (>^_^)> LULIGAL <(^_^<)

Split
Since the band has announced its plans to split, several people have changed the article to describe the band in the past tense ("Were/was a band..."). However, as the announcement makes clear, there is going to be a farewell tour ending on June 11 in Paris. And so Supergrass currently still is a band, and will be until after that date. I've started this chat here for the benefit of any more people who might make the same change, to avoid repeating the explanation on individual Talk pages - I've also added a brief note in the lead to try to dissuade new people from thinking they're adding something new, and a slightly longer one at the On independent career: 2009–2010 section. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  12:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

they are no longer a band, just touring together. so should be WERE.

anyone disagree?

cheers,

Chris

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.189.123 (talk) 03:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, if you check the edit history, and see who has been reverting it when people change it to the past tense, and who has been blocking repeat vandals, you'll see that the following people already appear to disagree with you - Boing! said Zebedee, Cameron Scott, Anna Lincoln, Michig, Technopat, Materialscientist. That means the change is currently against the consensus, so you must not change it to the past tense unless you can change the consensus here first. I see you are now blocked for a second time - if you repeat your disruptive behavior when your new block expires, you will almost certainly be blocked for a longer period. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  10:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

as far as i'm concerned, Supergrass are no longer a band. I did a poll on facebook and 68% agreed with me that they should no longer be considered a band. I may bring it up at the next parliamentary meeting and see what my Prime Minister thinks.

cheers,

Chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.189.123 (talk) 10:49, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

when can my changes to supergrass from the present to the past be regarded as fact? would appreciate some sort of an explanation. my university questions wikipedia's integrity. don't ask me why.

cheers,

Chris
 * That's nice - however, we use the consensus of editors here to determine what is in an article and that consensus is that it says as 'are' until the tour is over. --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Can i change their status from present to past yet?

Cheers,

Chris

PS- hope you're well —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.52.33 (talk) 11:53, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Not for another week. --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

they have now officially split up, so I have changed it from present to past tense. after months of trying, my mission is complete.

cheers,

Chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.69.203 (talk) 10:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

feel free after the 11th which is their last gig. --Cameron Scott (talk) 21:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

it is now the 12th of june, i have waited up all night to change Supergrass from present to past. yet one of your staff keeps changing it back to present, claiming i am making unconstructive edits. *sigh* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.177.86 (talk) 13:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It is now the 11th June, and will be for the next 8 hours in France. Supergrass are due to play a gig in around 5 hours time.  Therefore they still exist.  Stop trying to be the first person to add this information.
 * Wikipedia is not "staffed" - we are all editors, including yourself, and it is not just one editor that keep reverting your edit. Please read the Guidelines and try to abide by them.  Rob Sinden (talk) 14:04, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Singular or Plural?
I changed the article to use the singular "Supergrass is a ... band", as the noun "band" is singular. Someone has now reverted that change. I think the singular is grammatically correct, but I also note that other band articles use the plural, so I bring it here for discussion. Any thoughts? -- Boing!   said Zebedee  14:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 'are' is correct in British English, which should be used here as the subject is a British band. See American_and_British_English_differences. --Michig (talk) 15:40, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's cool, thanks. I am a Brit myself - I've obviously been spending too much time around Americans ;-) -- Boing!   said Zebedee  19:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

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2007 images of Supergrass found on Flickr
Just a heads-up that I have found an abandoned Flickr account with a number of really good shots of the band and its members at a party in 2007. If anyone knows what the event was or can identify anyone else from the party, please let me know as I imagine that some of them could be very useful images of the subjects (if notable) for Commons (they have the correct clearance for Commons uploads). I recognise Pearl Lowe and think Daisy Lowe is also in the images. Images of Colin McDowell and Susanna Lau have already been ID'd and uploaded but I'm not sure who anyone else is. Anyway, if anyone can help ID, do let me know on my talk page who is who, or feel free to upload some of the better images - I'm sure some can be cropped down to decent headshots. Mabalu (talk) 11:04, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge with The Jennifers
The Jennifers were a short-lived, unsuccessful group who are only notable as a precursor to Supergrass. The article lacks reliable sources and any useful content can be easily worked into the Supergrass article. Jellyman (talk) 06:58, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No objection, the article/s work well either split or merged. Jonpatterns (talk) 09:35, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Support. Makes perfect sense. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 07:51, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. Ditto all the first argument, can't find anything to save it.  danny music editor  oops 02:10, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. Absolutely agree.  An Ordinary Boy  oops 19:12, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 23:30, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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Disruptive editing
Is there any chance of getting this article semi-protected? I have been dealing with constant disruptive editing from this anonymous user. David


 * What kind of proof do you need? That's about as clear as it gets.  danny music editor  oops 20:02, 22 November 2022 (UTC)