Talk:Superman: Red Son

Article incorrect?
Whoa, there! According to the issue I've just read, *SPOILER WARNING* Superman disappears from world affairs in the first years of the 21th century, and Luthorism takes over the globe. Where does the article's info come from? -- Kizor 21:38, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah this page is full of crap. I'm editing it.

Huh, and just when I was checking if anything had happened to the article. My thanks, it looks a lot better now. I'll go over it and format a bit after I've slept some. -- Kizor 23:02, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * If I'm not mistaken the Silver Age Superman was much more powerful than the Golden Age ever was. The GA version even aged. --Talison 01:58, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * He did age when DC jumped all of its Golden Age characters ahead (mostly so they could market Infinity Inc. as a kind of "Junior Justice Society"). Since then whenever superman is depicted as aging (like in the recent "Batman/Superman Absolute Power" arc and in Red Son itself) he usually resembles the GA Superman.


 * Golden Age Superman has the most powers (including some weridies like "The ability to detect danger vibrations with his super-senses").


 * He shares the ability to breathe (and speak for some reason) both underwater and in space with SA Supes but typically he was depicted as much stronger (in CoIE he is literally throwing planets at the Anti-Monitor). I suppose it's a debatable point and if we want to edit the article to say something like "...more in common with the extremely powerful 'Pre-Crisis' Superman..." or something along those lines I wouldn't protest it.


 * I am however changing it back to Golden Age until we see some discussion. Also, whoever is doing it please stop removing "kryptonite" from the sentence that lists Commie Kal-L's weaknesses.  Braniace uses it (in energy beam form) to attack him on the White House lawn.
 * -James Ustano Therguy


 * I have never read anything that suggests that the Golden Age Superman is more powerful than the SA one. Quite the opposite in fact. I have a DC Heroes RPG Superman Sourcebook that covers SA and GA Superman. It says, "The Pre-Crisis Earth 1 Superman is the most powerful version of the Man of Steel. His physicl strength is unmatched by any other hero. In fact, this Superman even surpasses his own counterparts: the 1940's Earth 2 Superman an the present day Post-Crisis Superman." More info can be found here http://fortress.supermanthrutheages.com/comics.php --Talison 17:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The complication is that Earth-2 Superman isn't, strictly speaking, the same as Golden Age Superman. To make the difference between them clearer, Earth-2 Superman was limited to the power set he had in very early stories, in much the same way as he was shown as always working for the Daily Star, despite the Planet being a Golden Age invention. I don't know if he was actually more powerful that Silver Age Superman, though. Since SA Superman was often shown as "infinitely" powerful, I doubt it. Daibhid C 16:24, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm confused. If Kal-L came from the future, then he doesn't come from Krypton.  If he doesn't come from Krypton, then what is "Kryptonite"?  I have to read the book again, but I don't recall Braniac saying anything about Kryptonite. --DDG 19:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Update: Mark Millar has himself said that "kryptonite doesn't feature in the story" . I'm removing it from the list of weaknesses. --DDG 19:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * What then is the green shite Braniac is shooting at Superman during the climactic fight?

Having read the interview it seems as if he is saying that kryptonite is not used as an "out" in the story not that there is not kryptonite.

Original Q&A: ''NRAMA: Okay, gotta ask – too many times, we’ve seen the “big bad Superman” get this close to ruling it all, only to have the writer pull out the McGuffin of kryptonite as a rest button. Were you able to tell this one without the green stuff?

''MM: Kryptonite doesn't feature in the story, but I've never been embarrassed by it the way some people are. It's like super-breath. It's such a great idea and visually wonderful and I've seen Superman stories where they kind of tease the old concepts by talking about how ridiculous they are. Superman is far-fetched, of course, but the trick is to put that to one side and write the best story to your ability with all these things attached. People accept Superman because even a mainstream audience know everything about him and Kryptonite is a fun, little part of the box of tricks that comes with the character. Superman should be written unselfconsciously.''

By the way I don't delete portions of your arguments that I find inconvenient so please extend me the same courtesy. -J. Ustano Therguy


 * The green ray is probably thematically evocative of kryptonite. As the book does not say, though, the reader is left to speculate.  My guess would be something related to the Green Lantern rings, which make an appearance earlier in the title...  But that's original research and speculation, so not really suitable for this article. --DDG 17:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Previous appearances
Something about the Red Sons superman's appearances previous to this elseworld would I think be relevant, iirc he appeared in one of the hypertime facets in the 1998 series 'The Kingdom'. I'm not sure but I'm wondering if there may have been an older appearance, perhaps in one of those old 'imaginary stories'? Not sure, so I'll throw that one out there for someone else to answer.Number36 02:54, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

"Insect" in the bottled city of Stalingrad
At present the article says "His sole failure remains Stalingrad, which is ravaged by a stray insect." I was under the impresion this was some form of microscopic germ. Superman mentions Microfilters and the if you look at the size of the city in a bottle and actual insect would've been a lot bigger. What do you think guys? Does it need changing? Ryan4314 04:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I likely wrote that and know less of this than you do. Yes. --Kizor 14:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The article now currently says "His sole failure remains Stalingrad, which is ravaged by a microscopic animal" It was first changed by an unregistered user to "Flea" then reverted back to germ then to changed to "Animal". I can see that is hardly a big deal, and I also concede that the creature itself is fictional, made up for a comic book. However when I consider someone reading our encyclopedia entry who has not read Red Son, they should have an accurate description so that they may conjure an image. The term "Microscopic Animal" makes me think of mini-tigers or something, I can see the logic in referring to it as just a "creature", although animal is a bad choice of words. It is referred to as an "orgainsim" in the book. We should remember that this creature is microscopic so words like insect should not be applicable. I think adding some links would help to. I will edit this, but by no means do I assume I have the right idea and I would like for other users to add their thoughts. Ryan4314 21:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

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Braniac
The article explains where most of the cast came from; however, Brainiac is curiously absent. Does the comic simply go, "Oh, and Brainiac was there too, the same as always"? Nedlum (talk) 15:27, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as I can recall, Brainiac's basic concept was not revised in any way to fit into the setting (no pun intended) of the Red Son universe. So yes, he really is just the same old Brainiac. --Jayunderscorezero (talk) 19:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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 * Done - needs more references all round and is missing a reception section, so I'm leaving it on a C. (Emperor (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2010 (UTC))

Waterbording Torture
I noticed last night while re-reading Red Son that when Hal Jordan is tortured, the method used appears to be that of water boarding. With the current controversy readers may find that interesting.

When I first read it, I don't think I recognized the torture as I really didn't know what water boarding was. However now with all the media hype The image is pretty obvious. With all the discussion about what is or isn't torture, I think it is pretty interesting that a comic that was published in 2003 (before all the water boarding hype), clearly identifies that this is torture.

Not trying to make any kind of political statement, only illustrating what I noticed the other night. Check it out yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.40.1.129 (talk) 15:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Krypton
Luthor refers to the aging Superman as a Kryptonian tyrant. --Gary123 (talk) 03:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Summary is not too long
I recently finished reading Red Son and I honestly don't think the summary is too long or over-detailed. It is an epic three-part story and I definitely think the summary given is almost perfect for what the comic book encompassed. Is it possible to have the headline marring the summary as being 'too long' removed? -Signed, a fan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.105.224 (talk) 07:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. Dyaa (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC).

Article shortened
I've cleaned up the summary and removed the "too long" tag. If someone thinks I've removed something vital, feel free to replace it. If someone feels the plot is still too long, please specify where when you replace the tag. Argento Surfer (talk) 15:20, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

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