Talk:Superman (2025 film)/Archive 1

Splitting off some content
The Abrams/Coates info should probably be spun off to another draft because the news of Gunn's version said that one was separate and still in development. And maybe the Man of Steel 2, but those plans seem to have been superseded by Gunn's project. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:52, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The Abrams/Coates info is located at Draft:Untitled Black-led Superman film, and I have been meaning to cut it down from this draft. I was thinking the MoS2 info could be put in a "Background" section instead. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:12, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Didn't find that draft easily, so that's good to know. Yeah, I agree with a cut down and moving MS2 info to "Background". - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Relation to the DCEU/"New DCU"
I know the film is tentatively considered a part of the DCEU since that's what Gunn and Safran are now overseeing and prioritizing, but James Gunn on social media and a lot of trades in particular are really pushing the whole delineation between the DC Extended Universe and what Gunn calls the "DCU" (assuming it stands for DC Universe like the comics), and even Dwayne Johnson officially used that term to describe this new take on the franchise when announcing that Black Adam wasn't a part of it last night, so are we going to acknowledge this Superman film as part of the DCU going forward instead of the DCEU in that case? All signs especially recently seem to be pointing towards Gunn literally doing a universe-wide reboot especially after the exit of Cavill, the reported exit of Gadot and the way Gunn is describing his and Safran's 10-year plan on social media. Whatever this shared universe sounds like it's being made into its own entity seperate from the DCEU because Gunn has deliberately avoided using that term at all RebelYasha (talk) 00:40, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I would suggest we wait until the official announcements from Gunn and Safran coming after the New Year to see what those entail before making any decision on what to call the franchise these will all be classified under. The "DCU" naming is honestly not enough to go off of, and how it relates to the DCEU with the multiverse and all of the technicalities that entails. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Any assumptions we make without word from RS's or Gunn himself is WP:OR. There is consensus not to refer to the DCEU as DCU, see this RM. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:36, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Deletion discussion
Hey. I thought this might be interesting to you - deletion discussion about this film article that was written and is now a candidate for deletion. Bamba9898 (talk) 23:54, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Why is Merced’s height relevant?
This seems a totally pointless addition to the page. Jamesifer (talk) 08:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)


 * It was directly highlighted by the producer Peter Safran in the cited article right after it. It is relevant to the character. This has been reverted and restored several times. Trailblazer101 (talk) 09:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Inform?
"Gunn was hesitant to direct the film, despite encouragement from Safran and others, until he realized how focusing on Superman's heritage with his aristocratic Kryptonian parents and his adoptive farmer parents from Smallville, Kansas, would inform the character."

in what sense would it have informed the character? Do you mean that the character would be informed about his heritage? Redjedi23 (talk) 10:48, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * In this context, it means that Gunn realized how focusing on Superman's heritage would have an influence on who the character is. "Inform" is the wording the reference uses, which perhaps could be replaced by something that conveys it less ambiguously, even though it is not an uncommon use of the word. —El Millo (talk) 14:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "Inform" is being used in the correct terminology in this instance. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:06, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * This wording means 'inform the characterization of Superman in the film'. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:58, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you all! I'm not a native English speaker, so thanks because I didn't understand whether it was a mistake or not Redjedi23 (talk) 08:43, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Superman (1978 film)
An editor has requested that Superman (1978 film) be moved to another page, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You &#32;are invited to participate in the move discussion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Kal-El?
Superman isn't just named Clark Kent, so shouldn't we add Kal-El to all mentions of Clark Kent / Superman for full clarity? It only seems right as the film is not going to ignore his alien heritage. The boss 1904 (talk) 04:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * It has not yet been confirmed that he will go by "Kal-El" in this film. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:39, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Krypto
This seems to be the source, an interview with the Toronto Sun. The exchange was as follows: (Interviewer): How did you make peace with saying goodbye? (Interviewer): That's a scoop for me. If you ask me, I also think this sounds like a joke, as. Gunn jokingly says he wants to cast Pratt as Krypto in order to keep seeing each other and not have to say goodbye. None of the most serious trades consider this a confirmation of any kind either, only the more clickbait-oriented sites. —El Millo (talk) 23:53, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Gunn: "I'm not a person who is comfortable saying goodbye … I can't do it."
 * Pratt: "We don't have to say goodbye."
 * Gunn: "I'm going to cry."
 * Pratt: "Are you crying? The frequency with which we spend time together is inevitably going to go down because he's going to go to do movies and I'm going to make movies and when we're not doing that we're going to go back to our families. But we will make time for each other and we'll talk a lot. We'll always be friends. We still have a long life ahead of us so maybe we'll work together again. But for now there's a finality to this trilogy."
 * Gunn: "I was hoping I could cast you as Krypto the Superdog (in Superman Legacy). You could do motion capture on set and walk around on your hands and knees, but you can't talk.
 * Pratt: "I'll do Krypto but you have to pay me in crypto."
 * Gunn: "I'll pay you in crypto, which amounts to zero dollars." [laughs]
 * Pratt: "It sounds like there’s going to be a character called Krypto in Superman — breaking news."
 * Gunn: "It is a scoop, I guess."
 * Pratt: "Way to go. You're fired. Back to Marvel." [laughs]


 * Obviously they were joking in some parts of there exchange, although during Gunn's recent interview with Michael Rosenbaum, he had this to say via this article covering it: When Rosenbaum shifted the conversation back to Superman and "Legacy," things kicked off with some smiles and some interesting silences regarding the topic of whether or not Krypto would be in the film before Gunn shared how an interview he did with Pratt put that "spoiler" out into the open. In the embedded interview at 1:06:26, they talk about Krypto and Gunn says he and Pratt were talking about Krypto in a interview and I said that he could play Krypto [...] Chris says "oh, now we're saying Krypto's in the movie. That's a scoop". Watching their interaction, it seems it was a joke during that interview, although Gunn was coy about it at first when asked by Rosenbaum and says there a dog named Krypto in the comics, yeah.
 * Just to note, Gunn's remarks were attributed by Screen Rant as more than a joke and a confirmation But when it became evident that Gunn wasn't kidding about the iconic Superpet appearing in the new reboot, the director clarified that Krypto is indeed appearing in Superman: Legacy. ComicBook.com took it as a confirmation, as did GamesRadar/Total Film, so to say only the more clickbait-oriented sites called it a confirmation is false.
 * Also, in an April Rolling Stone interview, there was this exchange teasing Krypto: That said, does his success with Rocket make him more interested in possibly taking a chance on the first live-action cinematic version of Superman’s pet, Krypto the Superdog? He laughs. “I think I would have an interest in a live-action Krypto whether or not I had anything to do with Rocket,” he says. Sources seem at odds on whether this was an explicit confirmation in multiple instances. I don't find it to be something worth butting heads over, and we can easily hide the information until it becomes more clear. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:50, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's hide it then until it becomes clearer. —El Millo (talk) 01:14, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have unhidden this info but updated the wording to say that Krypto could appear in the film, since there is enough evidence to support that. I left him hidden in the cast section, I just realised that we don't usually hide the suggestion of a key character being included like this even if they don't end up appearing. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

stylized as SUPERMAN?
I'd hazard a guess until the official logo comes out, we won't put that it's stylized in capital letters? I'm just going off of how James Gunn framed it on his Instagram post. 2600:6C5D:0:A41:D79:7CA1:A2DA:96FE (talk) 22:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * It's hard to tell, unless he clarifies, whether he means that the title is in all caps or if he just did that for the announcement. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Adamstom.97 gotcha, no worries. just thought I'd ask about it. 2600:6C5D:0:A41:80A0:5FD9:C10D:D310 (talk) 20:58, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That's generally not a relevant stylization, as it's usually fairly standard for titles to be in all caps in logos and posters. Relevant stylizations are signficantly different from the regular title, for example Fantastic Four stylized as FANT4STIC. —El Millo (talk) 21:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm erring on the side of caution and calling this more of a stylistic preference for Gunn on his socials rather than how the title would be stylized on say a poster or website (which typically are all-caps anyways and not really worth noting in this instance). Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:06, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Trailblazer101 Again, no worries, I just thought I'd ask. thanks you guys 2600:6C5D:0:A41:F545:BB2:6108:10CF (talk) 20:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Reboot
There are no sources that claim this film is a "remake" nor a "reimagining" of the 1978 film. It is a straight reboot. And there are far more out there. This is a reboot. ThaddeusSholto (talk) 15:42, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * First Look At James Gunn’s Newly Retitled 2025 DC Reboot ‘Superman’
 * See Superman: Legacy Cast All Together for the First Time After Table Read for Upcoming Reboot
 * Following Superman Suit First Look, The James Gunn Reboot Has Cast Jack Ryan Actor Wendell Pierce In A Key Role


 * It is clear that this is a reboot, it looks to me that only one editor has decided that it is a remake based on the new title. But that isn't how that works. - adamstom97 (talk) 11:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Superman: Legacy
Given that the Legacy subtitle was removed from the film's title, should it also be removed from the production section; having all instances of Legacy replaced with just Superman or the film/movie? PanagiotisZois (talk) 12:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)


 * It was known as Superman: Legacy for most of its development and pre-production. We're not going to rewrite history and remove those instances. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)


 * OK... so if the film changes title again and becomes The Man of Steel, those 8 instances where Legacy is used as the film's title in the "Pre-production" section will remain intact? That won't be confusing at all. --PanagiotisZois (talk) 16:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * We already note it was titled Superman: Legacy in the lead of the article and explain the subtitle being dropped there and in the Pre-production section. It really shouldn't be confusing. We're not going to retcon what it was titled for most of production. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * We also don't use Superman: Legacy before that title was announced, so anyone reading through the production section will get to the part where that title was announced and start seeing it used to refer to the film, and then they will get to the part where the new title was announced and started seeing that used to refer to the film. It should only be confusing for someone who doesn't read the lead and just jumps to random parts of the page, and we can't help if someone chooses to do that. - adamstom97 (talk) 17:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2024
I’d like to be given authority to edit this page if there information that makes such action needed or just merly to protect this page. Benlalal064 (talk) 20:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌ as that is not how this sort of access works. This page is currently semi-protected which means new users and users without accounts are not allowed to edit the article. Please follow this link to learn more about when you will have access to editing the page. In future, keep in mind that edit requests like this are for requesting specific edits be made to the article by someone who has access to do so. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Christopher McDonald
There appears to be a conflicting in reporting. Deadline reports McDonald as being the known character actor while the THR report states it’s a newcomer with the same name. Rusted AutoParts 22:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm inclined to believe THR here as they have the exclusive. Deadline is likely confusing the two given their similar names. This Christopher MacDonald (with an "a") is a newcomer, as THR explains, while Christopher McDonald is the more established actor. Even Collider points out MacDonald was in a cast photo Gunn shared earlier this week, which also included Hoover and Beckett. McDonald is also Black (the same as his character Ron Troupe) while McDonald is white. It's really hard to mistake the few other than a minor naming issue. WP:Common sense applies here. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * In Gunn's Instagram post confirming the castings, he directly mentions Christopher MacDonald, who is clearly not the white actor from Hacks or Secret Invasion. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually, it appears both actors’ names are the same, per the newcomer’s account. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Additionally Deadline amended their article to remove mentions of the elder McDonald, so this is now a moot subject lol. Rusted AutoParts  00:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Cast list
I don't think This article on DC.com is an official press release or an official cast list. WBD doesn't have any press releases for the film on their press site since first announcing that Gunn would be director, the article doesn't have anything in it to indicate that it is an official release from DC Studios, and I don't think there is any indication that this would be the place for official DC Studios news to be released. Gunn has been releasing all the information we know, including the image that is in the article, on social media. Also, the cast members that are included in the article are just the ones that we knew about at the time. All of the cast members that have been removed from the cast list due to being excluded from this article were only known to be cast in the months since the article was published. - adamstom97 (talk) 18:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I agree that this cast list doesn't seem like an official list and more just a general statement by DC.com. It feels odd to have use this as a solid list when it is outdated, and I think we should revert back to the prior order, as while not ideal to have a long list of names, it is what is most accurate at this time until we get an official billing and not some random order from DC's site. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have boldly restored the listing for now. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)