Talk:Supportworks

db-promo, really?
Nearly all of the information in this article is backed from the two peer-reviewed sources, the self-published sources are for specific details. I also took great care to keep the tone of the article neutral and encyclopedic. -- Scarpy (talk) 06:21, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I just went over the artcle again. It appears the style of the article needs to be changed somehow. As the article stands it appears to totally promote Supportworks as a product. There is no view expressing how or why this is notable. This is just an overview of how to use or interact with this product. For example-  I quote:


 * "The forms used to manage information in Supportworks can be customized with a graphical form designer tool. Additional fields can be added to the Supportworks database to support such customizations when necessary.


 * The existing field format(such as logical, array structure, array character, date/time) cannot be customised as this impacts on the database where the application is installed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.101.251.174 (talk) 18:46, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Supportworks is packaged with a web-based self-service portal, allowing customers to create calls in the system using a web browser, without requiring assistance from an analyst. When a customer creates a call through the self-service portal an email is generated with a reference number for the customer. The reference number allows them to track the progress of their call through the portal. Through this interface they are able to escalate their call, update their call, attach files to their call, and see which technician is working on their call."


 * I don't see how this is notable material. The second paragraph alone (above) is simply a set of instructions on how to talk to the manufacturer about the product. That is not about the product. Furthermore, tt is something that you might recieve as a set of instructions with the product after you open the box. I am sorry, but in my opinion, this article needs to be written over, somehow supporting this product's notability. I recognize your wiki ID and I think you have written articles before, so I am guessing you know what I am talking about.


 * The first paragraph above is again, a set of instructions. I could do this kind of analysis for the whole article, and it comes out the same. I can parse the article for the benefit of anyone who needs more detail. This article can almost, but not quite fit under a how to manual, and there are other wiki sites for that. I can give you the links if you want. Or you could rewrite this article according to Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Steve Quinn (formerly Ti-30X) (talk) 07:07, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Notability is determined by the number of third party reliable sources, and I've went out of my way to use them well here. Due weight for material is determined by the prominence of material in the reliable sources, and the article is very well balanced in this regard.


 * I could have written about the role Hornbill and Supportworks has played in ITIL development or in the NHS National Programme for IT, which is mentioned in the peer-reviewed literature. That is, if you're looking for notability in the non-Wikipedia sense. But that seemed to be very much promotional in the Wikipedia sense, so I avoided it.


 * Your third point there seems to be some confusion about. Web self-service is a Supportworks feature, not a "how to" on "talking to the manufacturer about the product" (I'm not sure you could get the impression from the article). There's more information about this here if it's not clear to you from the section heading "features." Rather, it describes how it's self-service issue tracking process works. This is completely relevant when you are discussing an issue tracking system. In the same way that describing how a file system works is relevant to an operating system.


 * Your first point, that the article "totally promotes Supportworks as a product" you have yet to give a shred of evidence for. Again, there is absolutely no promotional tone or information in this article. The speedy deletion template designating this article as "promotion" is way off-base, and exactly what I avoided when I wrote it. -- Scarpy (talk) 07:47, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The beeping sound that you hear right now, is the sound some vehicles make while backing up, including me. Beep! Beep! ....  Ahem, I started to review Wikipedia notability and then I re-read the article, I also briefly checked out the external link you provided.  I don't know what happened, but it suddenly all fell into place. (My position has changed). This is a perfectly acceptable and notable article according to Wikipedia standards, and belongs on Wikipedia. For some reason, I misunderstood almost this whole article. It seemed like a promotional piece, the first two times I read it. Obviously, now it is not. I apologize for the misunderstanding. Thanks for having a dialogue with me. Steve Quinn (formerly Ti-30X) (talk) 20:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, my man. I appreciate the time you took to have a closer look. -- Scarpy (talk) 16:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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