Talk:Supreme leader

Comment
In my experience "supreme leader" refers to the all-powerful person not more frequently than it refers to a mere paramount leader... СЛУЖБА (talk) 10:55, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested Move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 08:41, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Supreme leader → Supreme Leader (title) –. The primary use of the phrase "supreme leader" is Supreme Leader of Iran, and so this title should redirect there and so this page needs to be moved. This is being discussed as part of the discussion about where Supreme Leader (note capital) should redirect, so please comment at Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 August 24 rather than here. Thryduulf (talk) 14:35, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose - the current article is correctly located, and named. Moving it or redirecting the term to any "supreme leader" would be POV. --Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎  00:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. If there is there is no intention to move "Supreme Leader of Iran" to "supreme leader", then this is disambiguation without a purpose. If you google, result No. 2 is this article, and the No. 3 result refers to North Korea. Kauffner (talk) 02:03, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Generic title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:01, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Usage of the term
Although Emperor Hirohito held supreme power over Japan, is there any evidence that the term 'Supreme leader' (or a Japanese equivalent), as opposed to 'Emperor', was actually used to describe him? --jftsang 11:21, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Apparently not. Will delete.  ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ( ♥ Talk ♥ ) 05:09, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Jinping please.
Refer to Xi Jinping as future supreme leader... thanks. 112.201.14.188 (talk) 23:30, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * ❌ as no source (and no helpful prose) suggested.Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:23, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Sources for Post–Cold War era section
Sources are particularly important. The current Needs additional citations at the top of the article is there for a reason. Its particularly important for more recent entries. On that basic I've done a prune through the existing entries on the Post–Cold War era. If its had a pre-existing cite I've left the entry (there was one). For the remainder I chose to I am neutral as to whether anyone should be in or out of this list and happy to go with consensus. I just want there to be citations to stop abuse. (We removed one with lots of citations a while back and we should likely be equally or moreso hard when people are not using sources. Any IP's needing a suggestion please consider using WP:REQUESTEDIT.  Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:23, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Removed if no apparent source in the linked article or possibly not really sure matched the article list criteria.
 * 2) If a possibly viable citation existed in the winklinked article brought it forward as a citation.
 * 3) for the two North Korean leaders there looked as though I could probably bring forward citations but I leave that for others and I've left it as citation needed as I don't want to uplift the wrong one and tread on anyones toes.

Burma & Thailand
Possible additions:
 * Ba Maw, Naingandaw Adipadi, Ana-Shin Adipati, Anashin Mingyi Kodaw.
 * Plaek Phibunsongkhram, Than Phunam.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=657&tbm=bks&ei=Q_JeXfWHPIPSsAfc5ovoAg&q=%22Naingandaw+Adipadi%22&oq=%22Naingandaw+Adipadi%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...32418.32418.0.32752.1.1.0.0.0.0.194.194.0j1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.PNI-0cWjxe4

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=657&tbm=bks&ei=ZfJeXcHxGcP1kwWr2aagCw&q=%22Ana-Shin+Adipati%22&oq=%22Ana-Shin+Adipati%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...29489.29489.0.29739.1.1.0.0.0.0.127.127.0j1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.Lhnx_RzXXEA

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=657&tbm=bks&ei=hPJeXbWNL8m0kwXYnp8g&q=%22Anashin+Mingyi+Kodaw%22&oq=%22Anashin+Mingyi+Kodaw%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...15225.15225.0.15491.1.1.0.0.0.0.149.149.0j1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.2jyi_n7XKEU

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=657&tbm=bks&ei=nd1eXYPbJ8-WkwXKj4XgCQ&q=%22Than+Phunam%22&oq=%22Than+Phunam%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...5260190.5260190.0.5260974.1.1.0.0.0.0.107.107.0j1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.tIIGx-_DJ3c

--87.18.64.165 (talk) 19:54, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@ Thankyou for coming back here. Unfortunately the google searches you suggest are too wide. I need one or more specific sources dpecified. We need a specific web page or book page that indicates "supreme leader". It needs to indicate that in some way that title was more than ceremonial ... More that the leader actually exercised supreme domination over his subjects without being held to account. If you can point me at a specific webpage or book page location where this is indicated we would hope we might be able to assist you add the content, though I do not guarentee it. I realise this is more stringent than has been exercised previously. See the existing items in the "References" section to see what we are looking for. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:52, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Sourcing and significance
While I have to concede to @ opinion on this really is the exception to the rule that a source is required. The supreme leader must also have a really significant impact on the nation from a global viewpoint. I had managed to get all post war with everything in the list sourced, now without that keeping some ongoing surveilance on this page descending into anarchy will become much more difficult. That said if anyone strongly disagrees with a reversion then I ask they discuss here and go to dispute resolution process if necessary. THankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, this whole page is poorly sourced. I could not find a strong source that describes "supreme leader" as a general subject which would be applicable to such and such leaders [citation]. Can you or someone else find it? There are general sources on personality cults, but this is probably not the same? Or is it exactly the same [sources]? My very best wishes (talk) 19:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeh, I removed a few. My very best wishes (talk) 23:23, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Should Narendra Modi be on list?
IP seems to wish to remove Narendra Modi (India) from the list and get Semi-protection. Discuss and get concensus to support removal or otherwise. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:43, 10 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I asked them to seek consensus on talk page. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 15:51, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not think Narendra Modi (India) should be on the list. The sources being cited are also very well anti-Modi and extreme left. He is a democratically elected leader with an overwhelming majority. India's electorate system is very robust and it is just very biased to think he is an autocratic leader just because he does not subscribe to the liberal/left rhetoric. Encyclo Enthusiast (talk) 07:14, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It doesn't belong. The BBC source wasn't saying that and what was left was oped comparing him to Iran. Modi doesn't claim to be the supreme leader. --Gilgul Kaful (talk) 09:10, 1 August 2022 (UTC)