Talk:Surfing/Archive 1

Edit to "Hydrodynamics"
"Ideal surf conditions include a light to moderate strength "offshore" wind, since this blows into the front of the wave making it barrel or tube." Wind does not cause a wave to barrel or tube. The shape of the ocean floor ocean floor causes a wave to barrel. It is true that onshore wind could stop a wave from barreling by causing it to cap prematurely. Off shore wind is optimal because the wind coming from the shore typically does not contact the water long enough to create chop at the location of the break. Breaks that are far off shore typically can't handle moderate wind, even if the wind is in an offshore direction. This line should read: Ideal surf conditions include zero to light offshore wind. Wind blowing in an offshore direction is favorable compared to onshore wind because it doesn't contact the water for a long enough period to effect surface conditions. Jacob Barton (talk) 06:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC) i agree people who surfed for over three years often tell me that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.152.222.218 (talk) 18:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

To separate the physical phenomena from the social phenomena
THE editor forgot to ad kook and townie to the frases kook is hawwian for s@#t or some one how is a poser and townie meaning none local kook J.

Perhaps the section entitled "Depictions of surf..." should be dude boyooyoyooy moved to the article about Surf culture. Then the article about Surfing could focus on the sport itself, including such topics as types of surfing, equipment, maneuvres, conditions and locations. The article on Surf Culture could then deal with the more social themes, including the many forms of representation, such as music, print media, film, etc. and perhaps also History. Maradja 12:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that the public does not give all teh credit they should to surfers. This sport is very strenuous and takes lots of adrenaline. The surfers that I knew In my lifetime was very serious about catching the wave and was pretty straight hardworking men. sddulane--ITIS 1210 no its called brah or broh now ,that has been outdated since volcom was founded.i agree its strenous though but still straigt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.152.222.218 (talk) 19:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Science of waves around Jetties
These papers seemed a little over specialised to be included in the section on surf conditions.

Maradja 18:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Surfing Conditions around Jetties
 * Categorizing the Types of Surfing Breaks around Jetty Structures

If we're going to talk about the science behind surfing, perhaps we could cover the obvious question: Why don't surfers sink? Is it just becuse the board floats??

Famous surf breaks
Perhaps this section should be deleted now that each surf hey people i love boys break can instead be placed in the Wave intensity table, within the section entitled Wave intensity classification. Any surf breaks that don't make the grade can still be listed on the List of surfing areas page and also in the Surfing locations category (although both of these do need a lot of work). --Maradja 00:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Origin of surfing
I have a query Wasent it Captian King who first recoreded surfing?

i have read in many other websites it was Captian King and he discovered it SHORTLY AFTER Captain Cooks death.

Have a look around for yourself

Nick <3

According to FROM POLYNESIA, WITH LOVE: The History of Surfing From Captain Cook to the Present By Ben Marcus (http://www.surfingforlife.com/history.html), Captain Cook and his crew (including Lt. King) would have WITNESSED surfing, but Lt. King was indeed the first to write about it. From the text:

'''On Captain James Cook's third expedition to the Pacific, his ships, HMS Discovery and Resolution, made the first recorded European visit to Hawai'i in 1778, when they stopped at the western end of the island chain on their way from Tahiti to the northwest coast of North America. After a frustrating year fruitlessly looking for a passage from the North Pacific into the Atlantic, Cook brought his ships back to the Hawaiian chain, this time stopping at the Big Island of Hawai'i. There, at Kealakekua Bay, Cook was killed by Hawaiians when he made a misguided attempt to kidnap their high chief to force the return of a stolen boat.'''

'''Lieutenant James King was made First Lieutenant of the Discovery and was given the task of completing the narrative portion of Cook's journals. After Cook's death in 1779 but before the Discovery and Resolution returned to England, Lt. King devoted two full pages to a description of surfboard riding, as practiced by the locals at Kealakekua Bay on the Kona coast of the Big Island. His following entry is the earliest written account of surfing.'''

''"But a diversion the most common is upon the Water, where there is a very great Sea, and surf breaking on the Shore. The Men sometimes 20 or 30 go without the Swell of the Surf, & lay themselves flat upon an oval piece of plan about their Size and breadth, they keep their legs close on top of it, & their Arms are us'd to guide the plank, thye wait the time of the greatest Swell that sets on Shore, & altogether push forward with their Arms to keep on its top, it sends them in with a most astonishing Velocity, & the great art is to guide the plan so as always to keep it in a proper direction on the top of the Swell, & as it alters its direct. If the Swell drives him close to the rocks before he is overtaken by its break, he is much prais'd. On first seeing this very dangerous diversion I did not conceive it possible but that some of them must be dashed to mummy against the sharp rocks, but jus before they reach the shore, if they are very near, they quit their plank, & dive under till the Surf is broke, when the piece of plank is sent many yards by the force of the Surf from the beach. The greatest number are generally overtaken by the break of the swell, the force of which they avoid, diving and swimming under the water out of its impulse. By such like excercises, these men may be said to be almost amphibious. The Women could swim off to the Ship, & continue half a day in the Water, & afterwards return. The above diversion is only intended as an amusement, not a tryal of skill, & in a gentle swell that sets on must I conceive be very pleasant, at least they seem to feel a great pleasure in the motion which this Exercise gives."''

Thus, Lieutenant James King, commander of the Discovery, 1779, recorded in the ship's log the first written description of Hawaiian surfing by a European.

I wonder what "dashed to mummy" means. --Fluffbrain 01:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Spirit of surfing reads like a sermon
I tend to agree. Should we delete it? I don't mind. Maradja 05:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Spirit of surfing

"Surfing's unique relationship with nature afforded it a mythic quality, which set the stage for its commercial simulation. However, there is a vital core to the culture, which is both local and global in scope. These "hard core" members of surf culture are united in their dedication to the sport's essential practice of riding waves. A disciplined surfer will check local surf conditions at dawn when the wind is calm, having already assessed the day's prospects based upon weather reports, swell predictions, and tide tables.

When surfing conditions are ideal, social commitments can be relegated to secondary priority. In this way, surfers can be said to defy the temporal order imposed by capitalist culture. Their subculture is founded on the aesthetic appeal of naturally occurring patterns and processes. The obvious contradiction between the surfing experience and its depiction as serving commercial interests highlights the contemporary western history of separation from the natural world, its utilitarian valuation and exploitation. Through direct involvement with nature, surfers appreciate the intrinsic value of the biosphere. Indeed, their world view embodies the very principles, which underpin ecosophies such as deep ecology and ecophenomenology."

Or, should this section follow the one on surf conditions? Perhaps then, the idea of "naturally occuring patterns and processes" would be appreciated. Maradja 15:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I feel it is important to have some mention of surfing culture in the main page, but this section glorifies the "hard core - we are one with mother nature" surfers which are only part of the whole surf culture. A change is definitely necessary. If nobody objects, I will begin to soften this section up in the next couple of days and try to make it better represent surfing culture as a whole because that is essentially what the section is dealing with. Sgman61 05:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I changed it quite a bit. After changing it, I noticed that it should probably be connected somehow with the section Notable Surfers. It still needs work, but this seems to me to be a good direction to go in. Any feedback or input from anyone??? Sgman61 11:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you disagree with the decision to separate the social phenomena from the physical phenomena, as proposed in topic one above? There is an article devoted to surf culture. Maradja 10:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

surfing is kinda like that im not some hippie but that is the feeling you get when you ride a perfect wave J. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.38.159 (talk) 19:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Surf etiquette
As a non-surfer, I know little about this, but from surfing acquaintances I know it exists. Would someone like to comment? Respect the nature, never throw rubish at the beach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miguelnavaza (talk • contribs) 00:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

It exists, but I can't imagine anywhere it could be found and cited, other than some horribly cheesy and probably made up list from a tourist destination site like Ron John's. MagicBear (talk) 22:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

im a surfer and it exists because most surfers only ride the set waves that come in time it takes patience to wait on the wave and if you have the shoulder you are taking the most risk therefore its your wave dropping in on another surfer often results in fights in the water J. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.225.20 (talk) 02:35, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I find it rather suspicious that...
...a few days ago someone with a brand-new ID of "Silverfish" created a Wikipedia page for "water sunglasses," when a) Silverfish Water Sunglasses are the first link on that page's external refs "companies selling water sunglasses"; b) one particular non-logged-in IP address fine-tunes the water sunglasses page, and then c) the same IP address adds a bit of text on the Surfing page about water sunglasses, conveniently internal-linked to the new water sunglasses Wikipedia page. Actually, it's not just suspicious, it's totally obvious that this character is trying to boost business for his "water sunglasses." Also linked to water sunglasses are the pages for Kayak, Water skiing, Sunglasses, Kitesurfing and Windsurfing. So, one can easily delete these references, or not, from the respective pages, but how does a non-Admin-type signal that this kind of monkey-business is going on? Plus, surfing since 1968 I have never heard of "water sunglasses."Fluffbrain 06:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC) OK, I figured out how to propose a deletion. --Fluffbrain 06:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Lee shore
I just created an article on lee shore and windward shore from the perspective of boating, particularly sailing. It seems that a lee shore would probably offer more aggressive waves for surfing, but as I no next to nothing about surfing, I'm not in a good position to track that information down. If anyone here would like to add to the lee shore article with respect to surfing, I'd appreciate it. scot 04:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Semantics
1) What does this sentence mean? "Surfers represent a diverse culture that depends on the naturally occurring process of ocean waves." At least the previous (now deleted) section entitled "Spirit of Surfing" actually said something!

2) Why has the section on Surf Conditions been subsumed under the new section entitled Surfers?

3) Why even start a section entitled "Surfers", without responding to the entry above, which proposed a separation of the physical phenomena from the social (which is dealt with in another article entitled Surf culture)?

4) Why not explain edits with a description of the edit and its justification?

5) Why not allow this article to be developed by those very few Wikipedians who possess the necessary language skills and (dare I say it) the knowledge of surfing? You could try developing Wikipedia's Simple English article on Surfing, instead.

6) If you are not so qualified, but still have concerns about an article's content, its style or how it is otherwise formulated, you still have the opportunity to discuss the matter on the article's talk page. This gives other contributors the opportunity to respond to your concerns, before any changes are made. Maradja 03:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
This article has been marked for cleanup December 2006. I am trying to get this article up to scratch, can people please comment on the cleanups and make suggestions to get the article up to standard. I have also been working on the article in my sandbox, User:Richtom80/sandbox/surfing, feel free to edit.

The main two changes I am putting forward are a change to the structure of the content (logical order) and also the inclusion of a history subsection. 13:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Entirely POV sections
The sections Famous surf breaks and Notable surfers are, by definition, entirely POV. In addition, they're magnets for every joker who wants to pop by and insert his girlfriend's / boyfriend's / dog's / turtle's name into the article. I am removing those sections and archiving them here in case anyone wants to take the information into a category or a separate article or something. They certainly don't add anything here. In each case, the linked-to "Main" articles for those sections are already included in the See also. &mdash; Dave (Talk | contribs) 12:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

_____Begin included text_____

Famous surf breaks
 * Banzai Pipeline
 * Bells Beach
 * Bondi Beach
 * Cape St. Francis
 * Cyclops
 * Ericeira
 * Fort Point
 * G-Land
 * Gold Coast
 * Hossegor
 * Huntington Bay
 * Jeffreys Bay
 * Kirra Point
 * Mavericks
 * Mancora
 * Fistral Beach
 * Pipeline
 * Porthtowan
 * Puerto Escondido
 * Rincon
 * Siargao Island
 * Snapper Rocks
 * Superbank
 * Swamis
 * Teahupoo
 * Trestles
 * Waimea Bay
 * Watergate Bay
 * Saltburn
 * Perranporth

Notable surfers ______End included text______

i mean, duh
Can't there be at least one mention of how surfing started the arguably more popular skateboarding?It's a seriously important part of both skate and surf history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.19.142.53 (talk) 02:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I want to include a link to the Extremity Games. This is a multi-sport, extreme sports competition that includes a disabled surf competition Extremity Games —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sitara9 (talk • contribs) 01:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Surfing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.27.123.54 (talk) 17:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Update and alphabetized Common Terms

 * Air/Aerial - riding the board briefly into the air above the wave, landing back upon the wave, and continuing to ride.
 * Bottom turn - the first turn at the bottom of the wave
 * Carve - turns (often accentuated)
 * Cutback - a turn cutting back toward the breaking part of the wave
 * Drop in - dropping into (engaging) the wave, most often as part of standing up
 * Drop in on, cut off, or "burn" - taking off on a wave in front of someone closer to the peak (considered inappropriate)
 * Duck dive - pushing the board underwater, nose first, and diving through an oncoming wave instead of riding it
 * Fade - on take off, aiming toward the breaking part of the wave, before turning sharply and surfing in the direction the wave is breaking towards
 * Fins-free snap (or "fins out") - a sharp turn where the fins slide off the top of the wave
 * Floater - riding up on the top of the breaking part of the wave, and coming down with it
 * Goofy foot - Left foot on back of board
 * Grom/Grommet - young surfer (usually under 15 or so)
 * Hang Heels - Facing backwards and putting the surfers' heels over the edge of a longboard.
 * Hang-five/hang-ten - putting five or ten toes respectively over the nose of a longboard
 * Off the Top - a turn on the top of a wave, either sharp or carving
 * Over the falls - When a surfer falls and the wave carries him in a circular motion with the lip of the wave, also referred to as the "wash cycle", being "pitched over" and being "sucked over" because the wave can suck the surfer off of the bottom and draw him or her "over the falls."
 * Pearl - accidentally driving the nose of the board underwater, generally ending the ride
 * Pop-up - Going from lying on the board to standing, all in one jump
 * Pump - an up/down carving movement that generates speed along a wave
 * Re-entry - hitting the lip vertically and re-rentering the wave in quick succession.
 * Regular/Natural foot - Right foot on back of board
 * Shoulder - the unbroken part of the wave
 * Snaking/Back-Paddling - paddling around someone to get into the best position for a wave (in essence, stealing it)
 * Snap - a quick, sharp turn off the top of a wave
 * Stall - slowing down by shifting weight to the tail of the board or putting a hand in the water
 * Switch-foot - having equal ability to surf regular foot or goofy foot (i.e. left foot forward or right foot forward) -- like being ambidextrous
 * Take off - the start of a ride
 * Tube riding/Getting barreled - riding inside the hollow curl of a wave
 * Double up – A swell that has been joined by one behind another to create a thick wave
 * Offshore – Winds blowing from land to ocean, best for creating tubes
 * Party Wave- When a group of friends catch the same wave
 * Quiver – Collection of boards, 2 or more
 * Set – Group of waves
 * Turtle diving – Technique used to get past breaking wave, Surfer flips over with the board and pushes through the wave upside down underwater.
 * Wipeout - An unplanned maneuver whereby the surfer and his board are seperated, and the surfer ends up underwater. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christie-mentawai (talk) 04:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)christie-mentawai (talk • contribs) 00:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Surfboard
Any heads want to help make the article Surfboard any better? It seems a little neglected and could use a cleanup. -- travisthurston  +  00:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Surfing as a religion citations
In the 'Surfers and surf culture' section in mentions that some consider it to be a religion. Here are some possible citations:

Surfing Magazine: July 2008: The Nature = God Issue http://www.surfingthemag.com/surfing-magazine-features/surfing-currentissue/july-2008-surfing-magazine/

Oxford Journals > Humanities > Jnl of the American Academy of Religion > Volume 75, Number 4 > Pp. 863 - 874 "Aquatic Nature Religion" http://jaar.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/75/4/863

Etch44 (talk) 11:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Surf Culture
Hollister is marketing surfing culture to the general public? Who wrote this? Ocean Pacific was doing that years ago and Billabong is arguably the most popular surf brand in the world today... lets not forget Reef (sandals) and O'Neill. This seems like a plug for Hollister....

12.3.196.1 (talk) 16:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't see it. perhaps that has been removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.80.70 (talk) 02:18, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

What is Skeet Surfing
The disambiguation when I search for 'skeet' offers 'skeet surfing' with only a link to 'surfing' (this article).

There no mention of 'skeet' in this article.

So what, in the blue bloody blazes, is skeet surfing.

PS. the movie 'TOP SECRET!' has prompted this question. It's title song is about 'skeet' surfing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GMcGlinn (talk • contribs) 23:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

History of surfing
I removed the following questionable uncited material from the article:
 * the chief was the most skilled wave rider in the community, with the best board made from the best tree. Moreover, the ruling class had elite access to the best beaches and the best boards, and commoners were not allowed on these beaches, but could gain prestige by their ability to ride the surf on their extremely heavy boards. According to the same website, surfing permeated ancient Hawaiian society, including religion and myth, and Hawaiian chiefs would demonstrate and confirm their authority by the skills they displayed in the surf.

If this information is actually correct, please re-add it to the article, making appropriate citations. You may want to also consult or edit the relatively high quality History of surfing article. Thanks, Vectro (talk) 16:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

A Glossery of surfing terms English maybe for article?
Livcing in 'SURF CITY USA"(Huntington Becah, Southern California.Lots of surfing here! Lots of surfers talking thyere "own "language too! Maybe a simple list of surfers words? Thanks!SVENSVENKA (talk) 00:01, 12 March 2010 (UTC)Andre' by the Sea


 * There is now an article called List of surfing terminology. Invertzoo (talk) 01:43, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Hehe
Hehe is a form of laughing. If on facebook and someone says hehe then that means they are laughing :) Have fun folks :) (180.181.32.9 (talk) 08:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC))

Trivial. Gingermint (talk) 21:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Bali the forgotten surfing place
Bali surfing is getting "cold". Bali is the best island to surf in Asia, why surfers are not coming here to surf? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.84.224.26 (talk) 03:04, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Norway
Surfing in Norway could potentially be linked to. The link is about Unstad in Lofoten, and the infobox has info on other Norwegian locations. --Calfai (talk) 11:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Famous Surfing Locations
Why is Mavericks the only listed famous surfing location? It isn't even the most famous. You need more locations such as Pipeline, Jaws, Teahupoo, Cyclops, etc. Htimsleinahtan (talk) 03:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. Additionally, listing the winners of the Mavericks contest seems very out of place. Someone should take care of this. Quiet photon (talk) 11:02, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Added Pipeline and Teahupoo, feel free to add more. Quiet photon (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Costa de caparica is not a world famous location, it seems this is linked to a commercial website and is merely an advert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.54.238 (talk) 22:36, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Hatnote
I disagree with that Surfing should be solely about "stand-up ocean surfing." Lake surfing is surfing in every sense, except it happens to take place on fresh as opposed to salt water. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:05, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Category:Surfing in fiction
I think this should be a category. I was thinking point break and nickelodeons rocket power contain quite a bit of surfing I'm sure other works have a lot of surfing. CensoredScribe (talk) 03:03, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

what is pointed in tagalog? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.145.17.149 (talk) 09:51, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Physics of Surfing
Please consider incorporating Draft:Physics of Surfing into this article before said page is deleted. ~KvnG 21:57, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Physics sectio
"Surfing waves can be analyzed using the following parameters: breaking wave height, wave peel angle (α), wave breaking intensity, and wave section length. The breaking wave height has two measurements, the relative heights estimated by surfers and the exact measurements done by physical oceanographers. Measurements done by surfers were 1.36 to 2.58 times higher than the measurements done by scientists. The scientifically concluded wave heights that are physically possible to surf are 1 to 20 meters.[21]"

This whole section reads weird, I don't understand how any of this info contributes the physics of surfing; furthermore, the latter info is obviously wrong, as many surfers have been recorded riding waves much larger than 20 meters. --178.201.78.99 (talk) 22:23, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Famous Locations
Is the United States not part of North America anymore? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.68.24.166 (talk) 19:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

peel-line
I have never heard this term before, and am not clear as to what it means. Could someone add some clarification? Thank you. 189.172.54.69 (talk) 01:54, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

you need a surf board to surf. --216.222.133.91 (talk) 15:34, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Citations template
With 41 citations currently listed, the decade-old "Additional citations needed" template—which dates all the way back to April 2010—seems out of place. Feel free to revert if otherwise, but it seems straightforward to me. — 宜しくねー クロノ  カム  19:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Nicknames
The nicknames section for this page is definitely off... I don't know of any nicknames for surfing itself and can't seem to find any online.N-dimensional (talk) 23:58, 15 May 2019 (UTC)N-Dimensional