Talk:Surfing locations in the Capes region of South West Western Australia

style and link for "south west"
The article is "... South West ...", but the lead sentence is "south-western". We should probably be consistent in terms of: It's not clear to me which is correct, so I can't just fix it. Southwest, Western Australia isn't much help, with its mixture of possibilities (although it does always use "west" not "western").
 * west vs western
 * hyphenation
 * capitalisation

I'm guessing that "the Cape Naturaliste to Cape Leeuwin region of south-western Western Australia" refers to the geographical region, South West (Western Australia), so probably ought to link to that article rather than the somewhat less specific Western Australia - but if not that specific article, then one of the others listed in Southwest, Western Australia. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * whatever it takes to make the consistency is fine -

Southwest,_Western_Australia is very helpful.. ✅ satusuro 09:11, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) no usage of -
 * 2) no usage of western
 * 3) fits with South West (Western Australia)

Ignore the "no space" part (now struck out) of my previous post. Mitch Ames (talk) 07:11, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Is "South West Western Australia" a proper noun, or is "south west" just a common adjective here? The article has upper case S W, the first sentence has lower case s w. If it's not a proper noun, MOS:COMPASS says it should be "southwest" (lowercase, no space ), but the link target South West (Western Australia) says "South West" is the name (ie proper noun, capitalised) of a region (definitive reference: RDCA 1993, Schedule 1, Part H). Perhaps the article title should be "Surfing locations in the South West region of Western Australia" and the lead sentence:
 * Note also the reword of "Cape Naturaliste to Cape Leeuwin region" to avoid the use of the word "region" for something that is only part of the South West (Western Australia) region. Mitch Ames (talk) 06:14, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Side note: MOS:COMPASS allows either single words, separate words, or hyphenated words - its basically an ENGVAR issue, with a single word more common in American English, and two words or hyphenated words more common in British English. Australian English tends to follow British English in most cases, hence WA's South West, as opposed to the USA's Southwest. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 07:01, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed - I should have read more than just the first sentence of MOS:COMPASS :-(
 * Agreed - I should have read more than just the first sentence of MOS:COMPASS :-(
 * If only the word munchers in local government and tourist web sites had someone like you as a proof reader... liberal misusings of all possible varieties exist..


 * There is no article (yet} on the Leeuwin Naturaliste ridge, but the term redirects to Leeuwin Naturaliste national park, but there is not an exact correlation between the park (protected area) and ridge (geographical feature)


 * and unfortunately there are very liberal usages of capes region and variants.

To tackle adjectival/noun distinctions on others usages is somewhat problematic. Strongly agree with abandoning the word 'region' - but-hey-thats-what-they-use satusuro 07:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Scope of article
The article title is "Surfing locations in South West Western Australia", but the lead sentence is explicitly limited to "Cape Naturaliste to Cape Leeuwin" - which is not the entire South West (Western Australia). Eg the latter includes Bunbury and Busselton, while the former does not.

The article title and lead sentence should be consistent about the scope of the article. (The reader should be able to assume that "south west WA" has the same meaning in the article title as the body of the article.)

(I am not a geography expert, nor a surfer, so I can't just fix it myself.)

Mitch Ames (talk) 14:20, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

expletives deleted. It starts east of Cape Naturalise, the region is loosely called the capes region by people who should know better. Will modify. The lead para will need cleaning up after this bloodbath of qualifiers. satusuro 14:30, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


 * If "Capes region" is common enough for the article title, it does not belong in parentheses in the lead sentence, hence this edit. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:47, 11 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help satusuro 12:50, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Notes vs References
Satusuro, I know we disagree on the "style" of Notes vs References, but I think this article is a good example of where Notes (your explanatory text, eg "Capes region is used without much care for actual sanctioned name") should be separated from actual References. This is especially the case where your notes included embedded refs. Listing them separately is not difficult - efn does it, the template docs includes an example ( and real-world example can be found in All Saints' College, Perth ). Mitch Ames (talk) 12:35, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I like the idea, it fits into my idea of what could be better for the reaqder - do you want to do it, or shall I? satusuro 12:48, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Another easy way to do it is using ref groups: use &lt;ref group=note> instead of &lt;ref> for the explanatory footnotes, and list them at the end using, which is what I've done for Kwinana Freeway (an FA) and Tonkin Highway (an A-class article). (There are also ways to use references inside notes, but that starts to make it more complicated) - Evad37 &#91;talk] 12:50, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I've made the change. I've used refn instead of efn, just to try it out. refn produces "[note 1]" etc, whereas efn produces "[a]" etc. (Both wrap  #tag:ref , which Kwinana Freeway and Tonkin Highway use, and both allow refs embedded in notes.)

What roads named below?
In this edit, I requested clarification of "Most of the roads named below..." because there are no obvious roads named below (in the article). This edit deletes the words "most of", and removes the clarification request, but does not appear to add anything that looks like the name of a road. SatuSuro, could you please either:
 * List some actual roads in the article, or
 * Restore the clarify tag, or
 * Tell me exactly what roads are "named below".

Should the article perhaps say "Roads named after the surf breaks listed below run off Caves Road ..." Mitch Ames (talk) 13:36, 14 December 2013 (UTC)