Talk:Surly Bikes

Is Surly Bikes worthy of note?
This article was tagged shortly after its (re-)creation, over concerns for its notability. I'd like to hear Realkyhick's and others' concerns over and support for this article's existence.

I'll take the position that, with recent edits, we're already showing significant (and verifiable) innovations and cultural/trend influences within cycling by Surly Bikes that shows the company is worthy of note. I'm suggesting notability in light of the guidelines: --Ds13 (talk) 19:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources.
 * ''Notable means "worthy of being noted" or "attracting notice." It is not synonymous with "fame" or "importance." Please consider notable and demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education.
 * smaller organizations can be notable, just as individuals can be notable, and arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favoring larger organizations.

Absolutely Surly is a bicyle company worthy of note. Surly has been on the leading edge of nearly every new trend in the bicycle industry in the last 10 years. Besides its pioneering efforts in single speeding and large volume tired mountain bikes (the Pugsley), Surly played a major part in the rising popularity of 29" mountain bikes with the Karate Monkey, long wheelbase utility bicycles with the Big Dummy, "fixies" with the Steam Roller, cyclocross "all rounder" bikes with the Cross Check, and steel framed bicycles in general, which had largely fallen out of favor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.165.12.194 (talk) 08:15, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Is Surly a manufacturer?
The opening of the article at present states "Surly Bikes is a manufacturer of bicycles, frames...". To my knowledge Surly doesn't actually manufacture anything, but only designs and imports its products. If I'm wrong let me know, but for now I'm going to change it. --Keithonearth (talk) 18:17, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I guess we could change "manufacturer" to "brand", but do we really want to go through the list of bicycle manufacturing companies verifying who manufactures what in a factory located where and owned by whom? I know Trek still lays up carbon in Waterloo, Wisconsin, and Waterford still welds in Waterford, Wisconsin, but I cannot vouch for any others on the list. -AndrewDressel (talk) 14:11, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ha. Someone already beat me to it with "designer and importer". Should have checked first. -AndrewDressel (talk) 14:12, 18 June 2010 (UTC)