Talk:Survival techniques

Survival as an Art
Greets ladies and gentlemen;

Speaking as a certified survival instructor, might I recommend disambig of the original Survival (album) page into something along the lines of Survival_album and Survival_art? "Survival" as a word is generally agreed upon by instructors and survivors worldwide as a reference to the art of staying alive, which is a topic of pretty wide scope. I've spoken (sort of) with RickK about this but my technical writing skills are not the greatest. I can state that it's entirely possible to create a non-"how-to" article on survival while remaining encyclopedic; it is not, however, a one-man job, and like many articles (I assume) would not be built in a day. --Esseye 13:39, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Article refactored as disambig for separate articles. Archived deletion debate below -- Cecropia | Talk 02:42, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Article has little to do with the title, and the article itself isn't an encyclopedia article. RickK 04:50, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * Agree. Delete.  It looks like a page from that book (forgot the title) on how to survive any situation.  SWAdair | Talk  05:00, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Hilarious. Delete, and maybe BJAODN. Johnleemk | Talk 09:40, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there's a page on survival or wilderness survival or something that this should redirect to. Meelar 13:15, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I rewrote the page so maybe the purpose of it is now more valid. Yes I did take some of this information from the Worse Case Survival Manuel, but I did not copy and paste it and I also added information taken from numerous other sources. I hope to add more to it and I've made logical internal links. I think once I redirect certain terms like "Survival" to it it might become more valid still. I think that once this grows it could become an invaluable reference, there are currently no entries such as "survival" or "wilderness survival" similar to my article. I don't know how to put down my user name but I created the article so you can talk to me through it.
 * Considering that yer nearest neighbor, Canada, has none of alligators, sharks, or venomous snakes (except for the prairie rattler, which is about as venomous as drinking a mickey of whiskey in one gulp), this is one pathetic article on survival. Three risks? JEEZ! Delete yesterday, or turn it into something that will actually enhance your chances of survival. Denn i 04:18, 2004 Jun 12 (UTC)
 * ITS A WORK IN PROGRESS DAMMIT!!! JEEZ YOURSELF!!! I can't add all of man's accumulated survival knowledge in three days! If its too short add to it, or at least make some stubs. I said in the little intro that it will be added to overtime. Anyways before I add more I'm going to make sure that people will even let it through, I'm not going to waste time on more entries if they just get OBLITERATED
 * 'Survival' is what you practice when your ordinary life support systems have been compromised. Survival is about how to make a fire, how to identify edible plants, how to catch fish without a hook, how to get clean drinking water, how to dress a wound, things like that. One does not begin an article on survival with what to do in the event of a shark attack. I did not vote last comment, so I vote now to delete. Denn i 18:51, 2004 Jun 13 (UTC)
 * Awfully specific. Transwiki individual sections to separate entries in Wikibooks or wherever it is "how-to"s go. -Sean Curtin 02:56, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Separate out to the pages for Shark, Alligator etc. (As interesting stuff) Then delete. -- EuroTom 10:47, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it make more sense to disambig. the Bob Marley album Survival page, than have one called 'Surviving' here? The Survival one is already about two different things. Would do it myself, but I'm not really sure how best to go about it! PMcM 13:12, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Problems with factual content
I have to take exception to the idea that shelter is more important than water. It is possible to live without shelter for days even in moderately harsh climes. It is not generally possible to survive several days without water. In many climes death without water can occur in hours. I understand that death can occur without shelter in hours to, but onlyin very harsh environements.

I suspect the person who prioritised shelter as first priority comes from a fairly temperate or cold clime, but I think most of the world's population lives in geenrally warmer climes where water is more important to survival - especially if you are undertaking energetic activities in pursuit of survival eg building shelter, sourcing food/water, organising signals etc.

Merge Bushcraft > Survival techniques
It looks like they have essentially the same subject. Survival techniques is probably a better name. Nabla 01:59, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I would disagree. Survival techniques refers to the skills themselves, whereas Bushcraft, in a nutshell, is more about an ethos. Bushcraft encompasses survival techniques, but includes far more besides. Also, Bushcraft implies not only surviving in the environment, but living comfortably or even thriving. --Pappa 12:35, 18 July 2005 (UTC)