Talk:Survivor: Cook Islands

Reception
Where's the reception and ratings for Survivor: Cook Islands? --TMProofreader (talk) 14:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Survivor jury vote table discussion
There is a proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Survivor task force to list the vote totals in the same order as the names in the finalist row immediately above the vote totals. All interested editors are invited to join that discussion. Since the Survivor task force appears to be inactive, I'm notifying Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Reality television task force and the talk pages for each Survivor season in order to reach interested editors. Schazjmd  (talk)  16:41, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Why the changes?
I understand that there is some kind of task force going around trying to change the way the survivor articles are laid out, but why this one? Why is this article different from the others? Also there is some repetitive information under the overview section that is already explained in another article. None of this makes any sense, I won’t undo any of the changes that have been made suddenly but I do not agree with them. - SecondLooneyaccount (talk)


 * I would say its odd that we need a "show overview" for a season article. For nearly any other TV series that has gone through a GA/FA review process, this isn't done with the expectation that the main series article is linked and includes all these needed details for the reader. --M asem (t) 02:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, the aim was to do this for all articles across the series, but I'd rather work in a couple of articles and get them up to spec before moving to the next one. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The voting tables didn't conform to our MOS requirements, and looked incredibly ugly, which is why they were edited, arguably not even to the extent required, as we should never use colour alone to show information. I'm up for discussion on the benefits of having an overview, but I don't really understand why we wouldn't want to explain what the show is on this page. It could maybe be condensed slightly, but saying what the show is, is beneficial for the rest of the article. I've seen this many times at FA, where simply linking to a term is not good enough, and the actual premise of the show is pretty vital information for the article. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:05, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 100% agree on table colors. Accessibility of these tables has always been a problem (and part of the larger issue with all competitive reality TV shows with their own approaches and ccolor schemes that violate accessibility MOSes). --M asem (t) 18:31, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll say now I don't think I've gone far enough, but I do at least think these meet the basic requirements. They probably need additional scopes and there is an argument that there is no need for any colours in any of these tables. I am eventually going to do the changes across all of the series, but that's not a reason to revert on this article. The fact these tables were so bad was actually the reason I wanted to make the changes on these series anyway. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:40, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There is absolutely not consensus that this edit is needed. Secarctangent (talk) 00:15, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There is nothing to suggest the colors are needed. If the colors are conveying any information of real importance it needs to be clearly stated as text anyway (such as a team or a person having a particularly winning performance). These list and table heavy articles are making the same old mistakes (remember Myspace?) that Wikipedia is trying not to do so much anymore, encyclopedia articles should be more about WP:PROSE in any case. Even if it wasn't an accessibility and reability issues, it is bad graphic design and page layout, and it might also be a symptom of bad writing if anything of importance is actually lost simply by removing the colors.
 * You need WP:LOCALCONSENSUS if you are want to make exceptions to MOS:ACCESS not the other way around. -- 109.79.73.24 (talk) 19:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, Local consensus doesn't trump the MOS. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

If you want to explain what the show is, you could explain it briefly in the heading. “An American reality competition series.. etc etc”. I do not agree with the changing of the voting tables though, the colors make it easier to understand who was in what tribe during the game. - SecondLooneyaccount (talk)
 * Yeah, I don't really understand how anyone is supposed to actually know that, as there's no key, nor anything explaining what the garish colours mean. I'd be happier if we culled the colours completely. Regardless, it's not something that we can ignore, as it clearly violates our MOS. I'm happy to cutback the section on the show, although I do think it's worth explaining the core concept that the eliminations are done via a majority vote. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:35, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure but the changes are awful and don't seem to be very popular. The tables are not accessible anymore and actually make it way more difficult to navigate and understand. I wish we could have had a vote before making such drastic and confusing changes. Miss HollyJ (talk) 21:53, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Something being popular by a series of fans of a show is irrelevant. You can try and change the MOS, but we have to stick to it. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:04, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * But some changes are being done by POV since MOS says nothing so specific, and one person giving a GA review is not always correct. There is no question the consensus is the tables are now harder to read and navigate, and MOS says something about that to. We have to be careful to balance what is best for our readers with what is best for Wikipedia. They are sometimes in vivid contrast to one another and we don't want to make something visually difficult to read or unappealing. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Once again, do you have a version of the table that does meet the MOS? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:16, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Rather than have this conversation as a split over many pages, I've created a suitable thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Survivor task force. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:46, 30 April 2022 (UTC)